Well I think when they use the term English they mean its not the big, over sized American Big Mac Labs we see. They are the shorter , stouter versions. I do believe they are all AKC but some like to breed Big boned Labs that exceed the standard and some like to breed smaller Labs that arent so huge. Either way ...why cant breeders breed to keep the Labs true to form is beyond me. Whats the need for Registration if a breeder cant breed to true form and standards?
English I believe usually just means more of a blocky look.....they are typically accepted in registration. I like them better. I like the english goldens and the english labs. They are not a different breed, just different lines.
There is no such thing as an English Retriever. You have the Labrador, the Golden, The curly Coated, the Chesepeke and the Flat coated.
By the description of color I will assume you mean a Golden or a Lab.
American dogs are not "over sized" verses English ones. In fact, the English bred dogs, per the standard, tend to be a heavier dog.
ALL Labs and Golden originated in Europe...they are all "English" in decent. It's a redunant term, some what like a "german" german shepherd or a "german" Rottie
The ultra light coat is not indicative nor is it limited to the English bred dogs...you find the color and even the "look" in many American Kennels with no imediate English born parents. Thats because the American kennels got their start from England.
People who breed, solely for color, are going to wind up producing animals that are more likely lacking in important conformational, temperament, and health factors.
More then once I have seen people proudly displaying their "English" bred retrievers thinking they have something special because one of the parents was an import. The parents are usually poorly bred goldens from English origins, which only have one like quality to the well bred dogs from English Kennels, they use the same registry. Nothing else about them is special or even correct.
The latests "rare cream" and "rare english" dogs is simply the latest scam bein paraded by disreputable breeders.
My trainer breeds the english type Labs.All her dogs fit to the breed standard.She breeds fo health and temperment.I adore her dogs.Tehy are so smart and wanting to please.Tehy love everything and everyone.They are just gorgeous.She doesnt breed for a certain color.If I were ever to have a lab I would get a pup from her.They are stockier but her biggest male weighs 80lbs.Great all around dogs.
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***Edited By: cockerlover on 4/25/2006 11:17:44 AM*** Reason: add
That's the way I feel FPBF. So there shouldnt be English in front of Lab , it should be AKC Register. If your breeding a dog of a cetain Registry than you should breed to thier specs to keep the breed Pure and with out faults. Giving it a differnt name like German is redundant.
You wrote"Except that the american lines look different and in my opinion are more hyper.Her dogs are calmer and I like the stockier look and blocky head.She shows most of her dogs in AKC events. "
Then you are not familiar with well bred labs.
There are two different looks in the lab breed as there are in most working gun dog breeds. Its field type and conformation type. The American conformation labs are all usually more stocky, with larger heads, etc...but it has nothing to do with being "English".
I have a show quality lab, and I have some input on the english vs american look in teh standard.. When I go to a show I frequently hear people say "That dog's from English lines".
Personally while hte heads of the english line dogs (which btw do tend to be on the smaller side of the labrador retriever standard height wise) don't bother me, I feel that the overly stocky bodies makes them look fat. In fact, it seems like many people who show labs pack on weight on their dogs in an attempt to get the level underline that is preferred in the breed standard. "Tuck up" is undesirable, and in some dogs the only way you can ditch tuck up is to show a fatter dog that looks more inline with the breed standard.
I remember when I went to my first dog shows and I saw the labs, my husband and I both looked at each other and were like, Geez. no wonder labs have a predisposition toward weight problems, almost all of these dogs look like total porkers. Many judges won't even look at your dog if it's not fat.
People who actually get out and do field work, especially REAL hunting prefer a taller and leggier dog that is energetic and able to hunt enthustiastically all day long. Remember when we did that hunt workshop last year? ALl the dogs that were proven hunters.. i mean that the owners did serious hunting with on a regular basis.. were tall and leggy. And hyper as all get out. But holy cow could they hunt. All day long. The leggier dogs seem to have an easier time going through underbrush because they're farther off the ground. I just can't see that the fat-seeming so-called 'english bred' labs are going to be able to perform like that, sorry. And since we are talking about a dog that is supposedt o be a hunting dog, not a couch potato.. is it right to dismiss that in the breed?
Anyway my point through all of this is why is htere even a difference between field lines and conformation lines, in a breed that is *supposed* to be a hunting dog. Its very rare to havea field champion that can even make a showing in the conformation ring with labs, and thats' pretty pathetic :P
***Edited By: Minniyar on 4/25/2006 2:55:26 PM*** Reason: add
Her labs work in hunting trials also.tehy can all day long and they are not over weight.They are just a little stockier and have bockier heads.They are also not really short like you are describing.She does not lable them as english stock.I have only seen a few well bred labs and I still dont like the looks of them as much as the english style.Just my personal prefrence.I just call that look english.Thanks for the info
***Edited By: cockerlover on 4/25/2006 3:03:33 PM*** Reason: add
"Anyway my point through all of this is why is htere even a difference between field lines and conformation lines, in a breed that is *supposed* to be a hunting dog. Its very rare to havea field champion that can even make a showing in the conformation ring with labs, and thats' pretty pathetic :P "
You are correct the Lab is a working dog...but even a working dog should have a level temperament. Not all field labs do...just as not all comformation labs have working temperament either.
The division between show and feild is not limited to the Lab. We see this in ALL working breeds. The show ring, has quite plainly, destroyed many of them as a functioning working dog. While there are a few out there still doing both, Brittany spaniels work on a regular basis...the extreme oposite would be the standard poodle, which began life as a working dog....
Because of the extremely different needs between the two venues there will always be extreme differences.