i am wondering if anybody has any opinions on getting two puppies from the same liter. i would like two and did read a long time ago, that two from the same liter don't bond to human owners as well. does anybody know this to be true???
I always recommend against getting two puppies. Not just because of the bonding thing, but because two puppies = 2x the trouble.
It also tends to be far far more difficult to housetrain two puppies at the same time, because it's easier to keep an eye on one puppy than it is on two. Not to mention when it comes to obedience training, you will need to devote equal time and attention to each puppy seperately in short training sessions.
I heard its not a good idea from various sources I've heard its easier to get a puppy then 'housebreak' then get another puppy and get the older one to 'teach' the other one .... I've never had a puppy so I'm no expert but that's what I've just read here
I like having littermates. I have 4 sets of littermates and I've enjoyed having them together and I've placed quite a few sets of littermates or pups from different litters but the same age, together. With Shelties, I've never heard anything but positive things with raising them together.
But like Babu said - it depends on breed and gender. Shelties are one of those breeds that really excel when they have another dog to interact with.
What I've personally found is that it is just as easy to housebreak 2 as it is one (put one under each arm and haul their butts outside - clip a leash on each one, and lead them out). Once one of the puppies get the idea, the other follows their lead.
I've also never had a problem with training. If you're planning on getting 2 eventually, you're planning on putting in the work at some point - why not all at one time, provided you have the time to devote to two puppies.
I think the biggest perk is that there is no transition/introduction period. They are best friends from the start. They keep one another company, so you never have a lonely puppy, and I think they are less destructive (because they don't get bored as easily). Of course, if you have an adventurous pup anyway, you may have 2 noses into everything!
And I don't think they bond to each other more than people - or mine haven't. My first set of littermates has always had "Sister Time" and "Mom Time". They have their times when they play and cuddle each other - but as soon as I come into the room, both sets of eyes are on me and I have one on each side waiting for us to do something. They love doing things the three of us - but it's okay if it's just Mom and one girl - or if it's both girls without me.
And I have a set of intact males that are litter brothers and these boys NEVER fight. They bicker once and a while, but it's never more than barking at one another and then it's done. They adore each other and share everything. One of the boys likes playing outside during the day and would prefer to adventure. The other boy would rather sit on the couch all day...
I think it depends what you're capable of handling, and what you expect out of the experience. I personally, if I just had pets, would always get them in pairs. :)
But they do say that Shelties are like potato chips - you can't have just one. :)
***Sandys comment made me realize I may have this preference since I have twin sisters and my younger brother and I are only 10 months apart and were in the same grade in school (and have always been close friends as well). People used to tell my Mom that she was crazy having 4 kids under the age of 4. They also used to tell her that we couldn't be in the same class in school because we would never make our own friends or develop our own personalities - all a crock of you-know-what.
There's no set answer to these kind of questions. It depends on the individual and what they can handle. :)
***Edited By: abbylynne on 4/28/2006 7:25:47 PM*** Reason: ***Add
I have three sister's (got the whole litter) and we love it. Mind you, taking care of multiples is a LOT of work! Our's are almost fully housetrained and they are going on 8 months now. *They will learn from and teach eachother quickly. So if one has a nasty habit, watch out. We had a case of this with jumping. And another thing I have noticed is that they rile eachother up EASILY. Almost nothing at all can get them barking and hysteric because they feed off of eachother's energy and warning signs.
Other than much more PATIENCE, MONEY & CARPET CLEANER, I have not noticed any significant sign or behavior that would make me regret having all three. Because they are so well bonded I never have to worry about one taking off from the group. They are a pack and they know to stick together. When we go to our dog park, they move like a herd. It's too cute.
Iv'e head many times not to get two puppies at the same time. not just because it's alot m0ore work, but also because the pups will bond with eachother. this is NOT what you want, you want them bonded primarily to you! if you get the second pup later they will both be bonded to you first, and eachother second. if they are bonded to you it helps with alot of training issues.
My girls are very well bonded to our family. In fact they love Alexis, 2 year old daughter, so much that if she's hiding in the house or in the yard I give the "Go find your kid" command and they each take off to find her. We got our's at eight weeks though so we've had plenty of time to bond.
I don't believe having multiple's automatically means they will be more bonded with eachother more so. If this person has the mean's, knowledge, and patience to home littermate's I would encourage it.
Wont know if it'll work unless you try. No reason to be so negative about the idea.
I have never had two litter mates but i have had two puppies at the same time... actually depending on what age everyone considers still a "puppy", i've had 4 at a time and all went well. They all house trained at the same time sucessfully and learned all their other manners and tricks.
I find that you can have many dogs/puppies in the same house train successfully BUT only if you stick to routine and teach them all the same command words. I also highly reccomend crate training, otherwise you'll have a looney bin full of wild pups running the house LoL.
I always want to ask people who use that "They bond more to each other" statement - Have you ever actually raised littermates together, or are you spouting off something someone else, who didn't raise littermates together, told you?
I'm with Michelle and Koon - I've never had a problem with littermates bonding with me or my family. Never. I think it's a funny myth that someone made up somewhere. I've placed littermates together and not once has a family ever commented that the pups like each other more than their people. In fact, often times I hear that each pup picks a person or an activity that is their's and they run with it.
I've never had any kind of training issues either (mine didn't even really pick up bad habits from each other.) My youngest set of littermates is 16 months and my oldest 5 years, and truthfully, they just act like best friends - but when I'm in the room, I'm "Mom". I provide the food, the toys, and the belly rubs (they haven't yet figured out how to give one another belly rubs...). Therefore, I am the one who is the center of attention. :)
Just wanted to reiterate that. I'd love to hear if someone who has actually raised littermates or two pups the same age has experienced them bonding more to each other than people!
I speak from experience and from talking with friends who've gotten littermates.
SweetGMichelle I had to laugh at your post, because I am remmebering the number of times you came on this forum desperate for help because your trio of puppies were up to no good so much you were ready to pull your hair out :P
Also, depending on what breed you get, getting littermates is really a bad idea. Akitas come to mind there :P
I also remember SweetGMichelle coming on here with lots of problems with the puppies.
Anyway...I have a friend who got 2 littermates. Said she would NEVER do it again! And it didn't really have anything to do with bonding. What she said is, it was impossible to train them! She couldn't train them together. She tried, but if the bad one resisted, the good pup played right along. And she didn't have enough time to devote to training each pup separately.
Look at it this way-there are SO MANY people who come on here and have problems training their pup-whether it be housetraining, leashwalking, etc. Now, imagine having to devote TWICE as much time to that training. Not many people have the time and/or the patience to work with 2 puppies, consistently and separately, for several months.
Hi Hsving two is just as easy as having one I raise Miniature Schnauzers and have 8 and I paper and crate train my puppies before they leave me so to me just as easy. Please take time with your babies train them right and you will be a proud owner!
yes...sweet michelle posted questions and had problems...as most of us have had...but...shes a young person..and doesnt have years to draw from.
being a breeder...i am ready to pull my hair out too..when they are poop machines...crying..ect.. but shes gotten past that part..and she can now see them as a joy.i dont think she needs to be reminded what she posted and maybe complained about...the main thing is...she sought help..and it must have worked...so..shes a sucess story...in my opinion..who better then to advise some one then some one who has been there...done that. At least she was not like some...who ask for help..and dont ever take it..she learned and applied...and now she can be proud of the great accomplishment she has done...not many take it on..and even less see it through...i say...congrats sweet michelle...
Then I acknowledge that Minniyar and catlover are making educated statements. I just wanted to make sure that everyone making the statement - especially about the bonding thing - wasn't just relaying some myth their heard.
I did want to add - everyone has problems with a puppy. My point wasn't to say that two would be easier than one. You do still have twice the work. My point was that if you're already planning on getting two eventually and you think you can handle double the work load at one time, then two can be a great experience.
The key to training multiples is that you HAVE to make sure they get individual training time. You can't try training commands with both pups in the room or they are going to distract one another. Whenever I've had multiple pups I'm training I give each one 15-30 minutes every evening just to work on commands. Once they get the commands individually then you start applying them to every day life with both pups around.
But it does come down to the fact that you have to be willing to devote time to training. In catlover's friend's case - I would agree that if she admits she didn't have time to work with two pups than two was a bad idea. But I've talked with and met a lot of people who shouldn't have one dog because they won't devote any time to it. You have to understand the sacrifice you make with even just one dog or cat before you can decide if you can handle two.
And it is a personal choice. Like I said, I like raising them in pairs - but I'm a weirdo and I devote more than a majority of my time to my dogs (in fact, I can't remember the last time I left the house when it wasn't dog related - vet, dog class, Kennel Club meeting...)
I do agree that we shouldn't penalize sweetmichelle for asking for assistance. It sounds like she's done a good job with her pups - and there are people on here that have made similar complaints with just one pup to deal with. I imagine after learning with her girls, one pup would be a snap for her!!!
I have never had littermates but do have two Min Pins that are 8 months apart. I have heard the first one potty trains the second but that was not true in our case. He did learn a lot of other things from his sister though. Obedience training has been easier for him since he is following her example.
I have always heard that they bond too much to each other if they are littermates but cannot speak from experience. You do want to make sure they are not too dependent on each other and if you get littermates I would have training and walking time with each individually as well as together.
Both of my dogs are very bonded to us and look to us for attention more than they do each other. They do love to play together and did right away but at first they had to feel each other out. They are becoming better and better friends and I am personally glad we started with one and then brought the other one in.
Maybe some breeds are better then others, but with my labs and goldens, I havenít seen any of these problems. I kept 2 and 3 pups from the same liters and havenít noticed any bonding or housebreaking problems. I also on numerous occasions sold 2 pups to the same buyers and havenít heard of any compliments from my buyers. I think two at some time is actually a good idea, especially when they have to stay alone for a long time. They keep each other company and are happier and less distractive. Training can be a challenge if you try to do both at the same time, but if you do one at a time, it shouldnít be a problem.
If you just keep them outside all day with no attention, then of course they will bond to each other more then to you, but if you give them both plenty of love and attention, they will bond to you in no time.
Wow, Minniyar and Catlover, do you both also walk on water?! You find ONE of my posts where I was seeking help for an issue that every puppy owner DOESNT deal with, and I'll send both of you a hundred dollar bill. My issues were never about my girl's being so bonded that I couldn't handle them.
That is the issue I am responding about.
Now if I had more free time to come on here and try to remember ridiculous posting's I'm sure I could find some kind of shnazzy come back and rub your face's in it. But like I said I have three girls and an energetic child.
Huron, it's thanks to poster's like YOU that I've done so well. I took great advice and went with it. I ignored the negative comments that were basically opinion's about my age, and whether or not what I was doing was sane!
I have found on this site that the people who really want other's to be successful owners spread positive feedback and guideline's. Those that choose to put other's down and are generally negative about all subject's are the one's that have either tried and failed or too scared to try at all. You know what they say about Misery loving company!