Hello My great dane is 14 mth's old, just had her first heat (she is a late bloomer)(stopped spotting 6 days ago), discovered green discharge, took her to vet she was diagnosed with Pyo. Of course it was suggested to spay her! Daisy was x-rayed;her uterus is not enlarged she is being treated with 1500mg Cephalexin twice a day. Has anyone experienced this? How was your situation handled? I do not wish to have Daisy spayed yet. She is my 5th Dane and lost my first one due toxic shock caused by ruptured uterus (Vet said she had hip displaysia). After that all my other babies were spayed. Not one of my Danes lived past 7 years old, all spayed Danes had one form or another of cancer. Is there an association? I would appreciate some feedback.
I'm not sure what your question is, your Dane is prone to Pyro, the Vet recommends of course to spay, she will probly get it again. Why are you hesitating? Because of growth? Is the growth more important then her health? How old are you letting her get before your Spaying? The Cancer part, well an intact female is very prone to well of course the Pyro and mammary Cancer. But all dogs can get different types of cancers. Males are prone to testicular cancers and of course Prostate, but Neutered he can still develope different kinds of cancers. I beleive alot of it has more to do with diet and genetics then whether or not the animal is Castrated. We aren't usually castrated and we die of all sorts of Cancers. If this dog is prone to Pyro, then its definetly not a breeding animal, so its a pet and can be spayed.
I used to breed harlequins....I dont remember anyone telling me that the life span of a Dane is 8 years old....as with any breed I really think it depends on the life we as humans give them..ie..food ..exercise...companionship and so on...My last Dane lived to be 13 and he was a biggy of 176#.... Cancer hits any and all breeds but I would think that as long as you cannot breed her spay is the best answer...A drug to NOT give your dogs of any breed is PRIMOR. It was used primarily for urinary tract infection in humans but after many strokes heart attacks etc it was taken off the market but not before being sold to many vets some who still use this...Unfortunately, it affects the dogs in the same way as humans.
The life expectancy of a Great Dane is 8 - 10 years old! This is what I have learned: Daisy had her very first cycle; during this time her uterus is open and therefore bacteria will be able to travel thru the canal and enter the uterus causing infection. As her cycle ends the uterus will slowly start to close; expelling the bacteria. In some cases it might not expell the bacteria and therefore would make it necessary to spay to prevent any harm (pyometra) this might cause, I don't think this is the case with Daisy. Daisy was X-rayed and no abnormalities were found in her uterus, her cbc blood test also is negative. She has no fever. She is being treated with antibiotics and as of this AM it appears to be working. She certainly is acting her normal self! I would like Daisy to be bred just once, the reason behind this is I believe in my heart it will give her a longer life. By the way, Daisy's mom is 12 yrs. old! Just to set the record straight, I do believe in spaying and neutering, there are too many unwanted animals in this world. But I also believe that some Vets are too quick in spaying as oppose to try to fix the problem first. Thanks for all your responses!
I'm glad your dog is responding well to treatment but everything I've ever read and heard about pyometra says that if your dog gets it, you should have it spayed. Dogs that have had it are at higher risk of a repeat infection, and it can be deadly. Why take the risk?
Great danes, Irish Wolfhounds, and Bernese Mountain dogs are all breeds that are as a general rule, much shorter lived than nearly every other dog breed. THere are exceptions but any dane that's older than 7 or 8 is considered to be geriatric, for all intents and purposes.
Personally I would never take the risk. I've seen no evidence that a dog having litters will increase it's lifespan, and I know for sure that in the bernese mountain dog health survey, intact male and females have shorter lifespan over all than altered dogs of the same sex.
The pyometra is a much higher risk than spaying. Spaying carrys the risk of bonce cancer but if your saying your line of dogs is prone to other cancers then mammory and the other cancers will show up anyway.
I respect where you are coming from - but I don't think breeding a dog will increase it's life expectancy. In fact, even if she gets over the Pyo without needing to be spayed, she could very well get it again next cycle and it could be worse. I've never read anywhere that breeding a dog makes them live longer.
I think you need to consider what is involved with being a breeder before you make that decision. It's a lot of work and a lot of responsibility just because you think it may add a year or two to your dogs life. Are you prepared to be responsible for the pups for the next 8-10 years? Are you going to have her hips OFA certified? Her heart tested? Her eyes CERF'd? Can you take the time off of work to whelp the puppies and possibly to raise them? What if you lose your female during her delivery? Can you bottle feed a whole litter of pups round the clock for 2 weeks? Do you have the money to be able to pay vet bills if your female does have complications during her pregnancy? (c-section will run you around $1000 - more if you need it done as an emergency at the emergency clinic)
My personal opinion - if it's an open cervix pyometra and your vet feels comfortable letting the antibiotics take their course, you can try it, but you need to keep a VERY close eye on her and at the first sign of problems she needs to be spayed ASAP (this may be 2 AM at the emergency clinic and will cost you probably double). If it's closed cervix, you HAVE to spay her. It's not going to fix itself.
Do you know if it's an open or closed cervix pyometra? If not, ask your vet. Then make your decision.
I just think, if the only reason you want to breed her is because you think it will make her live longer that it's not a good idea. Too much could go wrong in other ways and you may lose your female in whelp and that would defeat your whole goal.
The usual treatment for pyometra is surgical removal of the uterus and ovaries. It is crucial that the infected uterine contents do not spill and that no excess hemorrhage occurs. The surgery is challenging especially if the patient is toxic. Antibiotics are given at the time of surgery and may or may not be continued after the uterus is removed. Pain relievers are often needed post-operatively. A few days of hospitalization are typically needed after the surgery is performed.
It is especially important that the ovaries be removed to remove future hormonal influence from any small stumps of uterus that might be left behind. If any ovary is left, the patient will continue to experience heat cycles and be vulnerable to recurrence.
While this surgery amounts to the same end result as routine spaying, there is nothing routine about a pyometra spay. As noted, the surgery is challenging and the patient is in a life-threatening situation. For these reasons, the pyometra spay typically costs five to ten times as much as a routine spay.
PROS: The infected uterus is resolved rapidly (in an hour or two of surgery). No possibility of disease recurrence.
CONS: Surgery must be performed on a patient that could be unstable.
IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE TO SURGERY?
In the late 1980s another treatment protocol became available that might be able to spare a valuable animalís reproductive capacity. Here, special hormones called prostaglandins are given as injections to cause the uterus to contract and expel its pus. A week or so of hospitalization is necessary and some cramping discomfort is often experienced. The treatment takes place over the course of a week. This form of treatment is not an option in the event of a closed pyometra as described above.
PROS: There is a possibilityof future pregnancy for the patient (though often there is too much uterine scarring). Surgery can be avoided in a patient with concurrent problems that pose extra anesthetic risk
CONS: Pyometra can recur. The disease is resolved more slowly (over a week or so). There is a possibility of uterine rupture with the contractions. This would cause peritonitis and escalates the life-threatening nature of the disease.