As some of you know Pit-Bulls have now become illigal in Ontario, Canada. I would like to put this question out to all NON-PIT-BULL Owners. Do you feel more comfortable taking your dog to public parks knowing that Pit_bulls are no longer allowed to run free.
I realize that many Pit-Bull owners will read this and want to jump in a speak. However, if we listen to what non-pit-bull owners have to say; we may learn something about our breed.
This is not to support Pit-Bulls or bash them. I would just like to know what the comfort level of most dog owners is.
Unfortunately, I have seen the aftermath of what "some" pitbulls can do! My girlfriend's Jack Russel was walking last spring when one of our neighbor's pitbulls got out of the house and found her almost 2 blocks away. (the dog was barking at the glass front door when she passed with Tyson). Not a doubt in anyone's mind that the pitbull knew what he was coming for when he approached her at a dead run. Before she knew it the pitbull had Tyson in his mouth at which point he started shaking him violently. The amazing part is that nobody in our neighborhood came out to help even though she was screaming at the top of her lungs for help! Afterwards a few neighbors mentioned that they were too frightened to come out of the house! Long story short and many monthes of rehab, Tyson is finally OK. Two broken legs and the 4 puncture marks from the pitbull's teeth. The ER Vets were amazed that the pitbull let go stating that they usually NEVER let go- but the owner came running up the road and when he called the dog's name, he released Tyson and my friend scooped him up. They willingly paid all Tyson's bills and still have the dog in the house with their 2 small children. They said their Vet said the dog could be trusted with the children - it's just that pitbulls do not like other dogs!
The second incident involving a pitbull was with my friend's own pitbull which I have known since she was a puppy. I used to petsit Lexi whenever they went away. She saw me regularly over a period of 3 years. One day, a few monthes after I had gotten Phoebi, I was over there alone and she just went to bite my face. Actually lounged with bared teeth and all!
We live in a suburban neighborhood and both pitbulls were not rescues. Both owners had them from when they were pups!
I can't help it, when I see a pitbull I just freeze! I will never forget those teeth in my face nor will I ever forget poor Tyson!
I understand your intent with this post, and I hope that it doesn't get out of hand. (this topic usually does!)..
I will share my feelings and experiencees towards pits.. I hope this doesn't get too long.
I have always had the opinon that it is unfortunate the pits get such a bad rap, I love all animals and would not allow myself to think bad about another beautiful animal... But we have had two bad pit experiences, and NO good pit experiences. And it really makes me sad.
A few weeks ago my boyfriend was walking Beulah (black lab) in our off-leash trail area and came around a corner and a pit bull came out of nowhere and attacked Beulah. The dog would not get off her. Beulah didn't fight back, just cowared on the ground, letting this dog attack her. The owner came running over and pulled his dog of Beulah. Beulah had no chunks taken out of her.. I found a scrape on her neck but no major damage....But the pit was going for her neck.
You know how you feel when your baby gets attacked!!! I told myself to not blame the pit bull, to blame the hippies who were not taking care of him. My boyfriend made some snide remark about pit bulls and I told him that he shouldn't make snap judgements because he doesn't know all of them... yada yada... I stood up for the pits.
So THEN about three weeks later we went over to a friend's house and were going to the park to play frisbee. He has a BIG male pit. His friend told us that "he doesn't like dogs who are dominant." I thought "Well, Beulah is definitely submissive so it will be fine." Yeah, it wasn't fine. That dog attacked Beulah. We were right by them, so again, no damage done (although Beulah's pride has got to be suffering!) We went with this guy and his pit to the park, and I was there with Beulah and I had to keep the dogs separate and the pit kept staring at Beulah (who was minding her own business, sniffing around the picnic tables) all the pit wanted to do was hurt my dog. Someone dropped his leash for 30 seconds and he looked around and ran right after Beulah. (She of course, came running to me to hide, and I grapped her leash and my friend grabbed the pit's leash, so close call) I left Beulah tied to something with a bone and I walked the pit to keep him distracted. He was first off, like walking a volkswagon! Second, he would see some animal from afar and he wouldn't take off after it, but he would glare and growl and you could tell he wanted to kill every dog he saw. It pi**ed me off. Seriously. I was so upset at this "friend" of ours for allowing his dog to be this way. I was sortof in awe because of the aggressive nature in contrast with my dog who acts like a 10 yr old girl! (I say that because she's a little ditzy and she pouts a lot! )
SO... moral of the story. I will not say that I dislike pits. I HATE that my experiences with them have been bad ones. BUT... I will never ever allow Beulah to get attacked by another one. If that means I leave the dog park when I see one, then I leave the dog park. I KNOW it is horrible, but she's managed to escape without major harm, and I don't feel like next time she will be as lucky. Plus, I believe that I would be a horrible mommy if I let my dog be exposed to something that wants to kill her. As her mom, I just can't care if I am being unjust to pits. My goal is to protect my dog.
NOW... if I ever meet someone and know that person, and they happen to have a pit bull. I would give the pit a chance if I trust the person and they tell me that their dog is nice. But I won't hang out with pits that I don't know. Unless Beulah isn't there, because as a person, I do not fear them. I only fear for my dog around them.
It sucks! I feel bad even saying it. There is not a ban against them here in Utah. But if there were...... I would like knowing that if some stupid owner left their gate open their pit wouldn't get out and hurt Beulah.
***Edited By: kdubbs27 on 5/6/2006 10:46:02 PM*** Reason: edit.
I don't feel any more or less safe. I've never had a really bad experience with an american pit bull terrier or any of the other bully breeds (outside of having to smell their gas).
I think its incredibly stupid that all bully type dog owners are being punished for the idiocy of a select few. I guarantee you go to any Ontario dog park and there's still going to be some idiot letting their dog run amok.
I have 2 pitbulls and I trust them more than I would with your dog (s).
I personally would like to see a halt in pitbull breeding. Too many of them going to the wrong people. Too many being abused. Too many being euthanized in shelters.
I have adopted, fostered, and placed more dogs than I can count over 20 yrs. and the pitbull has been the most easy going and passive dog that I have seen. In fact, it is now my breed of choice. They have the spirit of a bull and a heart of a lamb.
Uninformed people should focus of the random reckless breeding of the pitbull instead of the animal. That is where the true problems lies.
With every pitbull attack and every death of a pitbull, there's a person responsible behind it.
I have to say, that although I don't live in ontario, I would not feel any safer due to pits being baned. I do however feel safer in edmonton with dangerous dog bylawswhile they do incluse a breed specific part, they also incluse any dog that has showen to be aggresive. Any dog that has been deamed by a vet to be part amstaff or stafordshre bull terrier is automatically aggresive, unless it is regestered with the CKC as either breed. I feel that dangerous dog legislation to be more effective than BSL.
I do not own a pit or pit-like breed nor have I ever. I have never had a bad experience either.
My mother always told me to be aware of animals growing up. Now I guess I only half listened as many daughter's do. I will approach almost any kitty I see to pet and have a chat with.
But when it come's to dog's I stick to the pound-for -pound ratio. I weigh 98 pounds......so for however many pounds they look like I double that, figure in the large canine teeth and think about the four leg's vs. two bit also.
If I see a dog that looks half my size I always think twice about even walking near their owner. Dog attacks I've seen and heard about were generally because of protection. Someone getting too close to an owner or child of owner.
Now that I am a mother to a small animal lover too, I am teaching her the pound-for-pound ideal. It's not a fail safe BUT it give's her an idea of size perspective.
Now back to the topic at hand, I'd be lying if I said a free running pit wasn't a little worrisome in my book, but ANY large dog running free bother's me! The thing that URCKS me most is.. if it was a black lab, or golden nobody would bat an eyelash. I'd feel more safe if people with large breeds PERIOD would leash up their dog's everywhere. Just my two cent's.
I have to agree with sweetg, there is no reason anydog should be let to run loose in public, at a dog park it is different of course everyone is there for the same reason. but not everyone jogging wants to have a dog come up to them, some people are afraid of dogs small and large. I find that people with labs and goldens have the attitude that oh its a lab everyone loves labs. Bulls*** I have attacked by 4, 3 were black and they bit me the other was a yellow and he attacked my dogs as well.
My dogs are small but I don't just let them run up to people they are very friendly, but some people just don't like dogs.
(yorkiemalt it's just that pitbulls do not like other dogs! )
i live in oklahoma there is alot of pits here. when i lived in washingtion before i started breeding aussie shepherds i have had pit before. since i have been in oklahoma i have been wating a pit up the street from me there is some pit/border collie/grey hound pups. i called and after fighting with hubby i won but he said that pit around hear are not like pits in washington. he said that they will not get along with our german shepherd an our basset/beagle i said the pups are only 12 week old what can it do.. well i got her i wormed her fed her played with her inside. they hole time she was in said she was real happy i thought her tail was never going to stop. i took her outside (i was holding her) and she turned in to the nasty pup i have ever saw. she growed at bo and max and snap at me. (my dogs goes every where with us they are well trained dogs) well i had to get the door open to get her back inside and i told my husband what happen and the hole time she is growing at him and he went to sit down and she started to grow at me i told her to stop then there was that happy pup again. i took her back because i was not going to take a chance getting bit or having a dog fight... i told him i still love pits but i would not own anymore that was oklahoma bred. she was number 2 from hear..
Think it really can't be that bad?? here is alist of breeds baned from Italy, have theeir dog bites gone down?? Not one study has proven that dog bites have gone down, but they keep adding to the list in hopes I guess.
AUSTRALIAN CATTLE DOG -CANE DA MANDRIA AUSTRALIANO AUSTRALIAN KELPIE AUSTRALIAN SHEPHERD - PASTORE AUSTRALIANO BEARDED COLLIE - COLLIE BARBUTO BEAUCERON - PASTORE DELLA BEAUCE BOBTAIL - OLD SHEEPDOG BORDER COLLIE BOVARO DELLE ARDENNE - BOUVIER DES ARDENNES BOVARO DELLE FIANDRE - BOUVIER DES FLANDRES BRIARD - PASTORE DELLA BRIE CAO DE SERRA DA ESTRELA CORGI GALLESE KOMONDOR KUVASZ MALINOIS - PASTORE BELGA DI MALINES MUDI PASTORE BELGA DI TERVUEREN PASTORE BELGA GROENENDAEL PASTORE BERGAMASCO PASTORE CATALANO PASTORE CROATO - HRVATSKI OVCAR PASTORE DEI PIRENEI PASTORE DEI PIRENEI A MUSO RASO PASTORE DELLE SHETLAND - SHETLAND SHEEPDOG PASTORE DI KARST - PASTORE DEL CARSO PASTORE DI TATRA - OWCZAREK PODLHALANSKI PASTORE MAREMMANO - ABRUZZESE PASTORE OLANDESE PASTORE SCOZZESE - COLLIE PASTORE SCOZZESE A PELO RASO - SMOOTH COLLIE PASTORE TEDESCO PULI PUMI SCHIPPERKEE TCHOUVATCH SLOVACCO - SLOVENSKY CUVAR
AFFENPINSCHER AIDI ALANO ARLECCHINO ALANO FULVO ALANO NERO - DEUTSCHE DOGGE ALANO TIGRATO BOVARO DEL APPENZELL - APPENZELLER SEENHOUND BOVARO DEL BERNESE - BERNER SENNENHUND BOVARO DELL' ENTLEBUCH - ENTLEBUCHER SENNENHUND BOXER BOXER FULVO BOXER TIGRATO BULLDOG INGLESE BULLMASTIFF CANE CORSO CANE DA PASTORE DI CIARPLANINA - SARPLANINAC CANE DEI PIRENEI - CHIEN DES PYRENEES CAO DA SERRA DE AIRES CAO DE CASTRO LABOREIRO DOBERMANN DOGUE DE BORDEAUX FILA BRASILEIRO GRANDE BOVARO SVIZZERO HARLEKINPINSCHER HOVAWART LANDSEER LEONBERGER MASTIFF - MASTINO INGLESE MASTINO DEI PIRENEI - MASTIN DEL PIRINEO MASTINO NAPOLETANO MASTINO SPAGNOLO PASTORE DEL CAUCASO PASTORE DELL'ASIA CENTRALE PINSCHER PINSCHER AUSTRIACO A PELO RASO RAFEIRO DO ALENTEJO ROTTWEILER SAN BERNARDO A PELO CORTO SAN BERNARDO A PELO LUNGO SCHNAUZER GIGANTE NERO SCHNAUZER MEDIO NERO SCHNAUZER NANO - ZWERGSCHNAUZER SHAR PEI TCHIORNY TERRIER - TERRIER NERO RUSSO TERRANOVA - NEWFOUNDLAND TIBETAN MASTIFF - MASTINO DEL TIBET TOSA ZWERGPINSCHER - PINSCHER NANO __________________
Yes, that was what the Vet told the parents of the dog that bit Tyson - they do not like other dogs. Well, HELLO, owners there are other dogs everywhere and to tell you the truth, there is a big difference between "not liking other dogs" to the point of I wanna rip your throat open!
I still can't understand what Lexi did to me. What, maybe she smelled my Phoebi on me. I had known her for years - from puppyhood on. I fed her, cared for her and loved her!
I do think your thoughts on stopping the breeding of them is probably the safest thing for everyone. Especially the pitbulls themselves!
Believe me, I do not like feeling this way about any animal - but fear is fear!
i have a puppy from the pound and we found he is most likely half pit bull/german shepherd/akita and i trust him he is being socialized people judge the breed w/o knowing the dog i have a friend who raises pits and they are sweet they are raised in the house and are takin to puppy class before adopted out but i do have a small fear for some pit bulls but with some other breeds to not just pit
Well... Appaerently Italy is up to 92 banned breeds. The last of which they added to the list beign the welsh corgi.
It's the one place you can see BLS truely spiraling in an awful direction.. and where everywhere else could end up eventually when government's realize that the bite stats other than the ones they invent aren't down.
In Kitchener/Ontario they put a Pit-Bull ban after a young boy was killed by a dog. As the result of the ban the number of dog bites did not decress, however, the number of people that had to go to the hospital as the result of serious dog bites did. And the studies that were done from the kitchener ban were used to help make the Ontario wide ban the present law.
So, in fact, there has been some resuch to suggest that these dog bans do keep people safe. Do I agree with the resurch... ??? Well, that is not important. The point is, there have been studies.
After reading your letter, were you give a long list of dogs that are not allowed it italy. I made some phone calls to the "animal control" athroities there and, in fact, your list is not correct. I would post the phone number of the athorities I spoke with, but I would not want them to get a hundred calls as the result. But you should look into it.