I have owned pit bulls for years and one thing is for certain there are no bad dogs just bad owners and anyone that thinks these dogs are vicious are obviously not familiar with the breed and need some serious help owners make these dogs they way they are
Every time this issue comes up on the forum, people say there are no bad dogs, just bad owners. Fine, but at least acknowledge that it's a lot easier for most people to be a good owner of a people-pleasing breed like a lab, or a golden retriever, or a pug, than a pit bull or a chow or a rotweiller. People need to know this but many of them don't. If you know somebody with a very sweet pit, that doesn't necessarily mean that if you get a pit puppy it'll be smooth sailing for you. I have a co-worker with two rotweillers, has had them for several years, loves them to pieces, and now she has a toddler and a baby. One of the dogs is fine with the kids, the other one isn't. But my co-worker thinks it's just a matter of keeping her 2-year-old girl from touching the one who "isn't nice." I get the creepy feeling that if that dog bites that 2-year old, she'll blame the kid for disobeying.
Lots of dog breeds have prey drive that is not the same as dog aggression (don't lump the two together).
There can be other reasons for problems to arise at dog parks besides dog agression. Some dogs need to herd and this can cause problems. Some dogs like to play chase this can cause problems. Some dogs are just too nosy and this can cause problems. Getting rid of what might be dog aggression doesn't stop the problems with dog parks. My friend is a big dog park person (most of her free time goes to making more and better dog parks in her area) and she told me most of the problems remind her of drunk guys in a bar. One guy bumps another guy and to seem tough the second guy acts tough by saying Dude. Then the first guy says Dude. Usually that is the end of it, but sometimes it can get into a total bar fight. My Itaian Greyhound has been chased by a chow, boarder collie, and even a Whippet. We do agility so this is where he has been chased by the latter two breeds (in class the dogs stop working to come after him maybe to heard or maybe to chase or even chew - I don't know). He gets afraid so he barks or growls and the problems could get out of hand if we didn't step in to stop it. My dog has also stopped working to run up to smaller dogs new to the group (he wants to play- I know he loves little dogs), but it all depends how the other dog feels about their personal space if a problem will arise.
Dog parks will always have problems and laws will just lead to more breeds of dogs being banned from society.
I can't wait to hear about the problems at the new dog park which will allow only small dogs. Some small dogs have worse behavior problems than most of the big dogs who happen to belong to a breed that has been labeled as "problem breeds".
i was scared stiff the other day in the park for safety of me and my poopy, as we were both chased and snapped at by some tiny little dog with big attitude.
im not sure wot breed the little fella was but he came at us all teeth and fur flying, had to pick my terrified douge de bordeaux up, and unfortunetly give little fella a swift kick up his bum untill his owner got him on his leash.
all he said was his dog doesnt like other dogs!
i get that pit bulls can cause a lot more damage than this tiny fur ball that attacked me, but the one and only pitbull i have ever met, was as soft as pudding, all he did was lick and roll over for belly scratch not a bit of bad in him.
im from ontario and i love pits,my friend was driving down the street with his pit in the car last week and was pulled over and almost got a ticket for not having his dog on a muzzel in his own car,although he brought it for when he takes him out of his own car.i feel bad for the pits in the summer,their muzzels arent designed well for them for drinking in the hot months.
I realize this is an old post but figured what the hey lol
The qualities I find are most helpful with a bully breed were not from a handbook they were common sence. I have always grew up with poodles and I have found that tiny poodles had a lot of the same characteristics that Lucy has, they want to please the owner & have some laughs doing it. *At the Miami Dade Animal Control Bullys are put down immediately as they are now illegal (very sad info for me) & I also have found that doggy day cares will not even except a bully breed along with some kennels.
To be extremely responsible means to crate train, go to classes, have a prong collar, supervise at all times, understand that certain situations are a calling to leave, love, train, reinforce training, and keep them thinking.
Lucy loves to meet, not eat, new dogs & people. When she wants to run up to them; I instead make her sit and let them come to us. While we are walking on the sidewalk I again make her sit on the side in the grass if anyone is needing to go around us. This makes people more comfortable with the fact that I am in control. Being in control and reading temperment is part of the responsibility, and I think that is where Bully owners make a mistake. I really do not find this to be any different training then a poodle, but it seems like when I tell people this it is a new concept!
Is this a lot of effort? I don't think so, but this is the same type of effort I would put towards any breed, even a lab. Maybe bully pups should come with a handbook as I think general responsibility & respect for all dogs seems to be lacking these days. (As I've seen at the shelters)
So in reality is it the dog, or the time, effort, & training an owner is willing to put in?
I have only been bitten my one dog...a mini poodle, the nastiest little thing I have ever met. The complex I used to live in had about 4 pits throughout. All of which got along with Mollie. There was although this one pit, the biggest/scariest looking dog I have ever seen, his name was Sampson. He was wrestling with Mollie and he put his mouth over her ENTIRE head, didn't bite her but held her. She immediately layed down and he let go. We go to the dogpark all the time, pits are usually there during the evening, theres not too many other dogs there so they can usually get away without having to put a muzzle on theri dogs. I don't remember ever seeing any aggressive pits, and if there are aggressive ones, their owners don't walk them on the main path, they usually go into the woods, away from the other dogs.
I usually sit with the older ladies at the dog park, and whenever a "aggressive" looking dog walks by, they all leash their dogs. I believe in the fight/flight rule. If my dog is tied up to a leash, she has no way of defending herself, and will fight. I have enough control over my dog (unless a bunny is involved) that she will sit by me until I know the dog is ok around other dogs.
Even if I was bitten, I don't think I would be scared of dogs in general, maybe the one that bit me, but I know not all dogs are going to attack me.
i dont think that the bread of an animal has anything to do with how they turn out. its all about how you raise them and train them. i dont think you should categorize a dog breed into being a mean dog simply because its a pitbull. i wouldnt feel any safer going to the park if there were no pittbulls there. and i have had bad experiences with them. we had goats and our next door neighboors two pitts came over and ate them. I think it has to do with they way they raised them and taught them inproper things. yes they can do damage but then again every single dog alive can do damage big or small.
It is not just pit bulls it is the fact they are the #1 dogs mistreated because they can fight the people take advantage any dog that has gone through with what most pitbulls go through is bound to have issues between anger and frightened and the worst part is my dad lives next to sme people that were horrible I knew it to because one day I was outside and I herd a litter or 2 of puppies screaming and the grown dogs to I knew they were pitbulls and something was wrong they were screaming when the guy walked out the dogs were terrified of those people a day or 2 ago my dad said that the guy was charged with alot around 5-10 counts of animal abuse he fled left the dogs - pups there they caught him though I do not know the rest like what happened to him or the dogs but I told my dad that that guy was doing something to those dogs but he said people have complained we as in the people af amherst have a sucky animal control and the guy to top that was or was with an illegal alien so no I would not feel better dogs - pit bulls are the least of our worries the most are the people doing this to the animals
cats humor us because they know there ancesters ate ours!
"I have owned pit bulls for years and one thing is for certain there are no bad dogs just bad owners..."
Good and bad doesn't really come into play here-- the pit bull is bred for fighting, and that's something it's very good at. I suppose it's up to the owner to make sure it doesn't attack other animals/people, but you can't call pit bull animal-aggression "bad". It's just a trait of the breed.
1. It's the pit bull's fault-- pit bulls are dangerous 2. It's the bad owner's fault.
Of course, since she got mauled by her *own* dog, "None of the above" occured, instead, we get option 3.
3. The dog probably had a brain tumor.
Improbable, but much more plausible than the "predestination" defense Nicholas Faibish's mother used. After her son was mauled to death by the family pet pit bull, she reasoned that everyone was born with a certain amount of time to live, and that it was Nicky's time to go.
kiyote i've been trying to stay out of this thread , but your posts are so ignorant and your hatred for the apbt is so apparent. you have nothing worth while to say , just rubbish.every chance you get all you do is bash these dogs , so lets lay off .until you've been owned by one of these dogs your opinion has no real foundation .come to my house and get to know my dogs for a week and get to know a true apbt.not what the media likes to spew. you are the type of person who likes to add fuel to a fire and watch it burn.
There is more than one way to be informed on this one. One is to have a pitbull yourself, or more than one. Like Redrosered says, to have the experience of being owned by one. It does give you information of course. But it can also distort your view of the big picture, making you think that pitbulls in general are like the one you have. Or if you have an easy time getting your pitbull to recognize you as its leader, because of the kind of personality you have and the authority you easily project, you might think it should come that easy for every owner. It doesn't. Many people who do fine with a more laid-back breed do a horrible job of owning a strong one. Or if you live in an isolated situation, you might think your dog will be just as laid-back and friendly to others as he is to you. This can make some people sloppy about common-sense precautions when other people or animals are around.
And it won't do to dismiss someone's else's opinion of the breed just because they don't have that kind of dog. Any breed-specific legislation that's considered will be decided by people who mostly don't. Once you go down the "you're ignorant" road, many people will dismiss you as an aggressive person who naturally wants an aggressive dog. And those people vote.
"And it won't do to dismiss someone's else's opinion of the breed just because they don't have that kind of dog. Any breed-specific legislation that's considered will be decided by people who mostly don't."
Very true... I think when most people think of the typical pitt bull it has been a media/internet fed images of gang members, drug dealers, irresponsible owners, criminals, and even dog fighting.
Unfortuanately media doesn't win the popular votes with portrayals of couples, professionals, and even therapy possitions that these dogs accomplish daily. My pitt is doing agility, has been hugged by different random people (gotta love dog people lol), loves grandmothers, and even naps with mini poodles. I'm glad she wasn't from Miami, where sadly she would have been euthanized on the spot.
We are finding more and more that she is not the only lucky one. We daily meet more and more people who are just as compassionate as we are towards these gentle souls. I think when you find a pitt lover calling someone "ignorant" you will find it is because we have such a strong passion & love for these dogs that it becomes hard to understand why anyone would want them ALL destroyed.
I am far from an aggressive person; I volunteer for a rescue, I'm a full time student, and hold a steady job. I highly respect others property, space, and views. I understand that some people may fear my dog when we walk down the street and do my best to make them as comfortable as possible; even going so far as making Lucy sit in the grass as they walk by. She really does not have an aggressive bone in her body, in fact I think she inherited more of the lazy/funny bone as she's always smiling and laying around lol.
I just can't fathom that it is the breed, as I have met to many people that own these great dogs and honetly not one that has had the aggression problem that has been spoken of. (Then again I wouldn't even think of conversing with any owner who wanted to stick any breed of dog in a ring, let them roam the neighborhood free, or who would simply leave them tied to a tree all day long). I have read the romours that when these dogs get to a certain age they snap and have read about the breeders who have a fluke bully turn on them, then again I have personally met those that have passed that age & beyond never having had a single incident along with rescues who deal with this breed daily without a problem, all from a shelter.
It is about responsible ownership and as I have stated before, if they maybe made owners registar the dog (just like you would a gun) and take full responsibility it would turn the heads of those who wanted to use them in a bad way.
It's a long shot but better than killing them all, I'm telling you now BSL will just make them switch to a different breed or different activity it's really no sweat off their backs; seeing what they do to these dogs it's easy to see they hate the breed more than the legal system does!
On a side note: In a way maybe this issue has been a good thing because it has encouraged me and many other people with my passion to VOTE next election to ensure what is happening in Canada/Itlay does not happen here =)
On my lunch break today, I went to visit a pit! One of my co-workers is always talking about her brother's dog, so she took me over for a visit. Hazel is a beautiful dog. Only danger she presented to me was being licked to death! And no, they had absolutely no problem with their homeowners insurance. But thanks for your concern.