I was wondering if anybody knows the best method to teach a puppy to stay. When i try to do it, i use a treat, and she never listens becuas eshe is so worried about the treat, and she never listens when i use a treat. Just wondering if anybody knows!
put a leash on your puppy. then pick a position you want the dog to be in while it is staying .... a sit usually works fine. put the dog in a sit ... tell him/her to stay, then walk out about a foot or two in front of the puppy .... count to thrity seconds then walk back to the puppy, tell him/her good stay and reward with the treat. if during that thirty second she breaks the sit then calmly walk back to her/him, dont say a word, place the puppy back into a sit again, say the word stay once more, then walk out and count again.
once the pup has mastered this small step you can increase the time first .... then the length at which you are standing away from him/her. if at anytime it doesnt work go back to step one and start over. one of the biggest things is not to repeat the commands over and over and over again because you will teach the dog that he doesnt have to listen the first time you say something.
I do not use the clicker to teach Stay. Primarily because "stay" is a long duration behavior and the click ends the behavior. It is also largely imprecise. I like to use the clicker for precision. Now if one wants to use the clicker for stay fine...just gradually increase the time the dog is asked to perform the behavior and/or delay the click. I personally don't like this method because the dog is not receiving the rewards for "stay" but when the exercise is over to stregthen the stay get the rewards to the dog in the stay, not after the release (or click).
How I teach stay. For a sit/stay bring the food in from above the dog's head this will keep them sitting. For a down/stay bring the food in low (think horizontal plane with the floor) bring the food in from above and the dog will come up to meet it and end up sitting. Have a handful of tiny treats. Cue the dog to sit or down. Give the dog a treat as you withdraw your hand with the treats cue stay...draw your hand away for just a moment, then go right back and reinforce, then cue stay draw your hand away again. Back in to reinforce before the dog breaks. You may be rewarding literally every second, so what? Gradually you will increase the time interval between rewards. Watch the dog's head if it is about to dip he's going to get up...dogs move their heads before getting up from a sit or down. Watch them and you'll see this (no don't watch them get up when you are practicing stay. LOLOL)
When working stays I work on duration first, so I will have a stay of at least a minute before I add any distance. You have to have duration before you can move away from the dog this is well just "common sense". The first step away from the dog will be the tiniest of half steps, then a whole step and so on. The best trainers on "stay" never have a dog that breaks they are going very s l o w l y. After having a duration for the behavior I add distance and finally distractions. If I increase the difficulty of the exercise by adding a distraction I will make some other aspect of the exercise easier for example I will work right next to the dog.
Now I expect I may hear "but you have added the cue before you have a stay". Good question I'll answer that now. I do have the behavior from the get go because my rate of reinforcement is so high, additionally adding the cue "too soon" doesn't generally confuse the dog in the least it confuses the handler they falsely believe the cue is creating the behavior...so we don't need to get grey hairs over when to add the cue, it doesn't confuse the dogs in the least.
As one gradually increases the time interval between cookies then one is also gradually reducing the number of "stay cues" so I am not chanting "stay, stay, stay, to my dogs"...they hear "stay" I leave the area for several minutes and return to give them their cookie. It doesn't take all that long to get to this place IF one goes slowly always striving for errorless learning.
If the dog breaks the stay...handler error! O.K. so you made a mistake now what?? Just pause a second or two when the dog is seeking reinforcement generally the dog will come to you when they break a stay. Take them back to the spot they were in when you started, re-cue sit or down (depending on what position you left them in). No cookies right after they break a stay, never interrupt undesirable behavior (breaking the stay) with cookies. Go at least as far as you were when they broke go back in and reinforce. I.E. exercises should not get easier (in the same session) after a "mistake" even if it's the handler's mistake . If the dog is continually breaking the stay - you are going WAY TOO FAST. End the session, reflect on the error of your ways and the next time you work on Stay remind yourself to go much more slowly.
Always remember to tell the dog when the exercise is over...I go back to the dog and tap them and say "release" and encourage them to get up...course mine often do not want to get up as the release is not "party time" they received all of their rewards for "staying".
I would begin this with the Beagle/Australian Shepherd right away while the rapid fire routine is cute I'd add duration to the behaviors you're adding half seconds right now not asking for 5 minute sit, puppies can learn this quickly.
Recently I worked with a Labrador Retriever Mix ...nothing on earth moves faster than a Labrador Retriever Mix. sharing this to brag at all believe me there is NOTHING special about me anyone can learn these skills. In about 15 minutes we had the Labrador Retriever Mix holding a down/stay while I went into the kitchen (turning my back to the dog and out of sight) and banged on the wall. My mom was dumbfounded she hadn't seen Buddy sit still for the first year of his life. Every "bang" had always been followed by racing all over the house and barking frantically...not this time. LOLOL Good luck "ungluing your dog" from his stays, even the little baby pupsters.
I've been meaning to respond to a thread I read on here, very early on, mention of a phenomena whereby a trainer externally reinforces an intrinsically reinforcing behavior and the behavior decreases, which appears to violate the laws of learning. I can explain this. (This will be long, sorry.)
This phenomena is the whole basis of Alfie Kohn's popular book "Punished by Rewards." But let's go past the surface level and look at what's really happening...
First, when I was a kid, I was an artist. I loved to do portraits (and I was quite good). At some point people began to ask me to do their portraits and offered to pay me. Before long, I didn't much enjoy it anymore, and I stopped doing them altogether. On the surface it appears that they externally reinforced an intrinsically reinforcing behavior, and it subsequently decreased. But let's look closer...
I've said in prior posts that there are any number of reinforcers and punishers acting on a behavior at any time. It is the sum total of these that determines whether the behavior increases or decreases. You might be giving a cookie for a sit, but if your dog has bad hips, he may actually decrease frequency of the behavior and avoid it.
In the above example, I enjoyed art, and people gave me money. Fabulous! Two big reinforcers. They also added restrictions on media choice, schedule deadlines, removed my freedom to choose only subjects I was interested in, and took away the internal joy I got from giving people a surprise gift. Those were huge aversives for me. Sum total was that art wasn't as much fun anymore.
I quit doing art for the most part because I've found, consistently over the past 16 years, that when I am inspired to do something, people begin to ask me to do things for them. I just hate that.
Now, here's another example where something entirely different occurs...
I love to ski. Say a guy offered me $100 for every run I did. He didn't give me any restrictions or suggestions, just paid me $100 every time I got to the bottom of the hill. What would happen? My skiing would, predictably, increase. I would be skiing both for the love and to get that money.
Over time my interest in skiing would be sated. This happens with pretty much EVERYTHING. It doesn't matter how much you love chocolate; if you eat it constantly, you're going to eventually get tired of it. You reach a point that, if there is no external reinforcer to continue to motivate the behavior, you would naturally stop.
In this example, though, the guy is still paying me $100. I need cash to adopt more pets, so I keep skiing. Then one day, he stops paying. Oh. Well, dude, I've got my fill of skiing, so I'm off to do something else. Frequency of this heavily externally reinforced behavior that was previously intrinsically reinforced drops to nil.
The question is... For how long? Well, it depends on how long the external reinforcer kept you going past the satiation point. The further past you go, the more you're adding in a competing punisher. As long as the sum total of the reinforcers and punishers is positive, you're going to keep getting the behavior, but those aversives are leaving behind significant baggage.
I probably wouldn't ski the rest of that season, but I bet I'd be back the next season, my intrinsin motivation as strong as ever. When I was 14 my boyfriend delivered pizza, and we had pizza for dinner every single night for 18 months. Talk about sated. I previously liked the stuff, but it was YEARS before I could eat it again and the words Let's order pizza" never crossed my lips. crossed my lips. But now I'm back to eating it as regularly as I eat any other such food.
It also has to be said that externally reinforcing an intrinsically reinforcing behavior in order to decrease the behavior's frequency is FAR from a sure thing. Michael Jordan got an awful lot of money for playing basketball, and in his off time, he still plays. (Not true of all athletes, but many.) If you have a field-bred Lab with a high-drive to retrieve, you can throw birds/balls all day and rather than decrease the drive, you're just going to crank it to neurotic levels.
It's considered the height of success to have a career based on your passion. That is, by definition. external reinforcement for an intrinsically motivating activity. Sometimes it works out great for people. Sometimes people find that what is great as a hobby absolutely sucks as a job. Always though, it sticks within the laws of learning.
Although there are lots of examples of this technique being used to decrease unwanted behavior, I think there are too many factors that affect the success for me to recommend it. And I'm certainly not going to avoid using external rewards (even with intrinsically rewarding behaviors) as Kohn's book recommends. That's nonsense -- and really bad training!!
Hi, A few days ago i was trying to teach my (Naughty little bugger) puppy Hachi, (lol) I use some white chocolate treats that i get from my local garden centre or you could try ''Hero's''
Is your puppy a fast learner? If so it shouldn't be that hard, just keep practising and one day it's gonna be worth it.
Also i would suggest maybe looking up ''How to teach my puppy/dog to stay'' I go on youtube alot to find out how to train my animals.
Remember all dogs aren't the same, some take longer to learn, while others are fast at learning,
I find that small dogs are actually harder to train than big ones e.g. German shepherds , Great Danes, gray hounds e.c.t. I have a Malamute shepherd puppy and he was so easy to train, He can give you his paw, sit, come, lay down e.c.t. and he's only 11 weeks old :)
Sometimes it's best to carry on with the more easier tricks like sit, lay down, come. Even if you've already trained your puppy to do these things carry on with them and your puppy will get better Is your puppy toilet trained? If not try training it to go out when it should.