If that is the case, I guess I'll just have to continue to wonder. Oh well.
I did forget to ask you something though. Just curious. If these dogs are rescues, with no heridtiy, genetics or registrations and age is unknown (excpet for the litter..the second one if I recall?) why would anyone be willing to pay her an adoption fee that is higher than a shelter which can offer the same quality (sometimes with far more information on the dog)?
Then again, most well established, pure-bred rescues (who have dogs sometimes for MANY months while paying all medical expenses) charge about the same.
I really am honestly confused.
***Edited By: pyrmom on 5/11/2006 2:43:24 PM*** Reason: ****
Well I can only tell you from my point prymom why I was going to go through alldogslover instead of my local shelter. At least in my area they are kill shelters so I didn't want to support that. Also I had tried to volunteer in my city back in high school and just didn't like the shelter admins. Anyway, most of the rescue groups in southern california charge $200 minimum...but since I was interested in a small dog breed (due to living in an apartment) I noticed most of them have doubled, even troubled that fee when it came to toy breeds. I was looking at a yorkie on petfinder and the were asking for an adoption fee of $600. So, $200 does seem responsible since she is keeping these pets for months and paying for their neuter/spay, care, training class if need be.
Regarding the litter, I believe this is the first for her. I may be wrong. I think the two week thing was only the time she was giving to allow the owners to be found. With her other dogs it seems she's kept them a lot longer. I usually look at her postings on dogster. I know with the pup I was looking at she was on their for well over a month.
I'm not sure about Troy, that is her decision. I'm not one for rehoming, although I did rehome a sugar gilder because I didn't know at the time I got it that it was illegal in my state. But I've noticed that ppl on this site due rehome and others support them for it. I don't know why it's different in this case. But it is her decision and she believes it's the best thing for him.
I have looked on petfinder for Miniature Pinschers and they mostly seem to be charging $100 to $300. We did have an Adoption shop in our mall and I can tell you most purebreds and all small dogs went really fast and sometimes were gone before they were officially were up for adoption.
I have always question why small dog adoptions cost more than large dog adoptions. It cost less to spay and neueter small dog. (Usually charged according to weight.) Small dogs eat less than the big dogs. Some meds, (heartworm, flea and tick) cost less for small dogs. Grooming cost less for small breeds. I KNOW! It must be SUPPLY AND DEMAND!!
My friend has a St. Bernard rescue and the adoption fees don't come close to what she pays out in medical, food, and housing. St. Bernards need to be cool, so they're in a temperature controled kennel which costs a fortune to cool. I'm sure everyone is aware of rising fuel costs.
I think $300 to $400 adoption fees for all dogs is adequate. Anything more than that for a small-breed is little more than profit. Besides, turn around for a small is usually quite quick where as large breeds are not so in demand.
Rescue takes more than just the desire. It also take sacrifice. But that does not include giving up your own dog to adoption.
I have never understood the logic behind people who say they won't support a "kill" shelter. It is exactly because of people like that, that these shelters end up having to put animals to sleep. If they received more support, they wouldn't have to resort to that.
I also don't understand people who say they didn't "bond" with a pet, and that is the reason they rehome them. I have a cat (I didn't choose her-she chose me, lol!) She is in the house, mainly because we spent over $400 on her in one shot at the vet. She drives me nuts! She is the most annoying cat ever! Loud, pushy...even Maggie is scared of her! Would I rehome her? Not in a million years! Maybe I'm different from most people, but with me-I kind of think of owning a pet as taking marriage vows (for better or worse, in sickness or in health, etc)
I think, myself, that 300-400 is over priced for a rescue. With the exception if they were in need of extensive vet care. I keep my Min Pins and Pugs both reasonable. Breeders (reputable) put most of the time more into their pups than in a rescue. We have years of dedication to the parents, genetics, pups, etc. I sell my Pin..as pets for 400, Pugs are 500-600 for pets. Show is a little more....but I just dont see paying 400-600 for a rescue. My rescues generally go back out to even my vet costs (generally 100-200)
See, the point Ipn made is the reason wny I think most rescues charge too much. If you could get a purebreed from a responsible breeder for that much, why go to a rescue? BTW Ipn, I didn't know you had pugs. I thought you just breed min pins. I love the pug personality but they've never been the breed for me.
Anyway, I just don't support kill shelters. I've not only had a bad experience with my local shelter when I tried to volunteer there, but I always had one with my own pet. My dog got out of his fence while I was on vacation with friends. My family was looking out for him, but they said he became depressed while I was gone. He wouldn't eat, just slept all day. Anyway, they picked him up in my apartment complex and when I kept calling them to check if they had a male german shepard mix I was told four days in the row, no. On the fifth day after driving around searching, going to vets and pet stores I decided to check the shelter anyway. There was my dog about to be put up for adoption in a few days.
Like a said I don't personally I wouldn't rehome an animal. The only time I did was when I was violating the law by owning the pet which was a gift. But everyone is different.
Catlover,What you just said was the cats meow! I agree with you 100%.. can't wait till june i'm going to adopt from a shelter just praying to god I go in to get one and dont come out with two or....should I say anymore? lmao
This is the stupidest thing I've ever read. Stop rescuing dogs if you don't have time for your own. YOUR dog should come first, always. If you don't make time for him, you are irresponsible. Sorry this is just insane.
Sorry folks, this was bumped back up due to deletion of troll posts.
Since it's moved back up, thought I'd share...
Just an FYI, I checked the OPs Dogster pages and found it interesting that there have been about 20 dogs that she has "rescued" and adopted out since the begining of this year. Count Troy among them. He's gone to his new home.
She still has 6 dogs and 1 cat listed as available, one of which is a pregnant poodle.
I count that at somewhere close to $4,000.00 (give or take) so far this year for dogs which have mostly been "street finds" or rescued from friends/parking lots. Not bad.
Wonder if the puppies have a higher "adoption fee" than her standard $200.00?
Has alldogs been on since this thread has been continued by others? I don't really know how she runs her rescue...is it an "official" not-for-profit organization, or just a "Hey-I found-a-dog-let's-put-it-on-the-website-and-call-it-a-rescue" type deal and pocket all the money??? I'm sure she has said before, but I probably missed it. When we foster, we don't get any $$$ from the adoption of the dog, just the happiness and fullfillment of knowing that we loved on them all we could, taught them some manners (if needed) and socialized them & that a good home has been found by the rescue society. It's really too bad that "rescuing" these other animals has taken over and her own pets can't be properly loved on...if that happened to me, the fosters/rescues would have to go to another family...my furbabies come first, well behind DH I guess...LOL!
I'm not too sure HOW she got started as her information isn't really too specific, friend handed over an unwanted dog, found this one on the side of the road, got these pups outside of Walmart, etc...
I seriously doubt she is incorporated or has filed for any licensing or permits of any sort.
Perhaps good intentions that took a wrong turn and from all appearances has tured out to be rather profitable? I have not seen her since this thread was about half the length.
Truth of the matter is, if you are 100% certain that what you're doing is just and morally right, you generally stick to your convictions, no matter the dissenters, rather than vanish into the woodwork.
Alldogs, Where are you in L.A. I volenteer for a rescue in my town that has a high ratio of finding homes for dogs and cats. We are in San Pedro. I don't do the actual pulling them from shelters or fostering. I go there on adoption days and to all the rescue functions. You can probably mesh right in with our rescue. We have private adoptions, those people can come with their pets for adoption every week till its adopted. You can ask our rescuers anything you want. I think its great you were able to help at least one of those dogs get safely off the street. Better that than see them dead on the side of the road. Knowing some of our rescuer's, they would have run off to capture any dog thats loose. If it were viscious, They would have to back off. But you did what you could.
Heres my dogster site if you want to contact me. www.dogster.com/?18018.
To the people that have posted negative comments against me:
You can trash me all you want...I'm not going to give you any more explanations about my actions. So...go ahead...trash me all you want, I know my intentions towards my dogs and I will continue with my rescueing. I have learned some things from this website about rescuing and for that I'm grateful for.
To puttin: Yes..I will contact you and see if I can work with your rescue org.