breeding 2 similar things can make them suffer from inherting the same trait and so it will show up like an underbite or hip displasia. by breeding 2 unlike breeds then it will most likely not show up. a maltipoo is gauranteed tear stains but a puggle id not guaranteed bulgy eyes underbite or weakness to heat.

lmao. so people shouldnt breed with other people because they will pass down all these genetic faults to their children. but if they breed with ...say, monky's. their offspring will be healthier..............although they may be hairier and crave bananas.

Point is...purebred or mixed (which the mixed breeders dont care) if a dog has a underbite, HD, or any other isue, it should not be bred it should be fixed. Good breeders of purebreds know this and do not use bad reprensentations of the breed to reproduce. On the otherhand, mixed breed breeders use them regardless, because for a mutt it is cute to have a huge underbite, and heck as long as I can still make my $1,000 who cares?


lmao Dusty...EXACTLY.....


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koon29645 - msg #17 wrote:
lol there are alot of people who would fall for that.I had a lady come to my house thought my min.pinscher was a chihuahua and she did not know dogs could be house trained so there out there.

Hey Koon have you seen the MinPin shirts that say "I ain't no stinkin' chihuahua" I bought one for my soon to be DIL. Email me privately if you want to know where to get it (crestiersq@gmail.com) just put TP in the subject so I don't delete it as spam.

As for housetraining, my best friend shows & breeds Cresteds and Chis, and she actually had a woman who came to look at a 12 week old chi say: "but their AKC registered, they should know not to pee in the house." Needless to say....this woman did not get one her dogs.

texas - You have the basic idea of the possible health perks to mxing two very different breeds - but here's the problem - in order for that theory to really work the two breeds have to ENTIRELY different. They would have to have absolutely NO common occurances of health problems (so in small breeds, most have a risk of luxating patellas - you'd have to avoid breeding two breeds that have any likelyhood of patella problems - in large breeds, you'd have to avoid breeding two breeds with any risk of hip displaysia). That is tricky at best.

THEN you have a whole new set of problems to deal with as the two breeds could cross and a problem that was a recessive thing in both breeds and rarely showed up may become their main heath concern.

On top of that - (and this is why I am not a fan of purposely mixing breeds) the biggest plus to breeding purebreds is that there is a set temperament for the breed. You have a good idea - assuming you are getting a well bred dog from a responsible breeder - what the activity level of the dog will be, what their training issues may be (and every breed has them), what health problems sire and dam need to be screened for, if things like allergies are common... With a mixed breed, it's a crap shoot at best. You had better be a fan of BOTH breeds (and if you're talking about breeding two very different breeds this may be a stretch as not everyone is a herding dog person and not everyone is a terrier person and not everyone is a hound person...) because you have an equal shot of getting all the less desirable qualities of both breeds.

I don't have a problem with mixed breed dog as long as you're adopting them from a rescue or Shelter. I have a problem with people charging thousands of dollars for a pet quality dog that really is identical to what they can adopt from the Shelter quality wise. I have a problem with irresponsible breeders period - purebred or "designer".

Some of these people tout "hybrid vigor" - well when you're breeding a Lab and a Poodle you still have the same risk of Hip Displaysia as you do when breeding two Labs. You can call them non shedding or hypoallergenic, but not every puppy in the litter may be. In fact, if Mother Nature chooses - the whole litter could have Lab coats.

Most designer breeders think that breeding is like making a cake. You put in a little of this and a little of that, it blends together and you get a nice happy medium. NOT true. Really breeding is like making trail mix. You can mix the two breeds together but what is going to happen is that some things will inherit from one breed and some from the other. You breed a Pug and a Beagle and the dog is going to have some traits that are definitely Pug and some that are definitely Beagle. They are NOT going to be 1/2 way between the two. If you like Pugs AND Beagles, fine - but you may get all the things you aren't so thrilled about from both breeds.

And here's where my biggest problem comes from. The breeders mixing breeds are using dogs that GOOD purebred breeders of those breeds would consider low pet quality. WHY? Because they can't get a GOOD breeder to sell to them. Would you buy a really badly bred purebred dog and pay $2000 for it when a well bred version of the breed sells for $700 with a health guarantee and a breeder who cares about you and the dog? Probably not. So why does taking two badly bred dogs and mixing them together make it okay to charge $2000? OBVIOUSLY the breeder doesn't care a hoot for the dogs or the breed or even the "designer mix". They care about money. They are milking a fad for all it's worth.

Gosh here we go again. There are alot of mixed breed owners on this forum i have noticed. I see ppl all the time coming for advice on getting a certain mixed breed dog and they are talked down to and told to go to the local shelter and find the same dog for cheaper. well thats really not the case, you cant find a young pup of the mixes you want. PPl are buying these certain mixed breeds because thats what they want . shelters to me always guess at what they think its mixed with. Buying a mixed breed you know. i have a bichon and poodle and both his parents are akc. I know what im getting. i dont have to guess.
Really its to each their own. im sure there are many breeders that breed these kinds of dogs for the money but also just as many pure breed breeders do the same, but it really doenst take away the quality i think from certain mixed breeds, yes they are way cute and you get the best of both worlds with 2 differnt breeds. I would never breed my mixed breed of coarse but if ppl are there and wanting them then there are going to be ppl that are breeding them. imho
This topic really is a no win situation everyone has their own opions and no one is going to change their minds on the subject.

"i have a bichon and poodle and both his parents are akc. I know what im getting. i dont have to guess."

Oh I'm so glad you have a crystal ball..

Since none of the rest of us could guess. There is absolutely no way of knowing how any mixed mutt will turn out. Ever. There's a thread going on another forum on how a groomer has encountered 7 goldendoodles in a 2 month period, and they've all been sketchy neurotic dogs. Mind finding those traits in their breed standard?
Oh wait.. they aren't there. It's from sketchy breeding practices with dogs unsuitable for anyone with morals to breed.

tapepettyjohn actually, I disagree. I have yet to mee t a single breeder of mixed breed pups who does any health testing whatsoever on the akc registered (and more likely, ckc registered) purebreed dogs they're mixing to get these cutesy named puppies. And regarding it not taking away from the quality of certain mixed breeds and how you get the best of both worlds when you breed two purebred dogs to get a mixed breed dogs? That's total hooey. No one gets to pick and choose which 'best traits' get passed down to the dog's offspring, regardless of whether they're breeding purebred or mixed breed dogs. However, with dogs of the same breed, they have the same physical characteristics and usually behavioral characteristics as well. Thats why dobermans look like dobermans, and akitas look like akitas when you breed them. They don't look like westies. And why when you breed beagles, you get dogs that like to hunt.. or breed retrievers you get dogs that like to retrieve. You know what you are getting.

Ask anyone who's got a pug/beagle mix that is an avid digger and howls and has breathing problems if they got to choose the 'best characteristics'. Or the person who was on here a week or so ago who had a pug/beagle mix that killed their rabbit, as beagles are hunting dogs. Or the person with the poodle mix with luxating patellas.

And the AKC website says straight up, having AKC papers is not proof of the quality of a dog. All AKC registration papers do is give you an accurate pedigree of your dog, assuming the breeder didn't lie on who the sire of the litter was. People who breed mixed breed dogs often use very poor examples of whatever breed it is they're using as the sire and dam anyway. Because they don't care. All they want is to toss 2 dogs to gether to get some cute-named puppy that will sell for $2000 to some gullible person who thinks they're getting a one of a kind dog, when there's literally thousands of this same mix all over the US.

You want a one-of-a-kind dog? Get a rare purebred dog. Like a Briard, or a Welsh Springer SPaniel, or a Plott Hound. I have seen dozens of every variety of poo, pug and chi mixes, and I bet you have too. But how many of thse rare purebred dogs have you seen? At least I know what the purebred dogs are going to be like personality wise, instead of having a crap shoot of a breeding the way you get with mixed breed dogs.

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*applauds*

excellent post Minniyar. i totally agree.

When i found my pup it wasnt no glamorous heading or fancy names. she called it like it was a bichon and toy poodle mix.
im sure there are alot of pure bred breeders that dont do testing also.
My pup is fine no over bite or underbite or weak legs or knees, my vet did check all that at his first visit and did tell me that these little dogs are more prone to leg problems and their legs being bowed, well bentleys isnt. and he has no problems with his teeth either. the vet told me about this stuff and about breeders that dont breed very well and these little dogs have certain problems, but told me that my pup was a good looking pup and could tell that the breeder knew what she was doing. and even asked me where i got him and told me he hasnt seen this mix come threw often.
So im sure your right in alot of your arguement. but im just saying this was my choice on what dog i wanted and i dont think i should get flack for wanting or buying a mixed breed dog if this is what i want and he is taking care of.
There are alot of mixed breed owners on this forum, and i think we all wanted to be treated equal instead of feeling this is some pure breed club. and thats how it feels. I can go to any other pet forum and never get the responses that i get here or anyone gets here with posting about mixed breeds, kinda sad

You know what? I am one of those mixed breed owners. And I don't feel persecuted. But I adopted my mixed breed dog from the humane society.

And you are right, lots of purebred dog breeders dont' do health testing too, and they get just as much negative attention as mixed breed dog breeders. I will never pay money for a purebred dog that didn't have health testing done. Unless I rescue one of course, then I won't care :P And I'll never buy a mixed breed dog from a 'breeder', I don't care who the breeder is.

mafia wrote

There's a thread going on another forum on how a groomer has encountered 7 goldendoodles in a 2 month period, and they've all been sketchy neurotic dogs. Mind finding those traits in their breed standard?
Oh wait.. they aren't there. It's from sketchy breeding practices with dogs unsuitable for anyone with morals to breed.

we have ALOT of goldendoodles and labradoodles as clients. they are all skittish dogs. glad to see it is not just the dogs we see.... well not really glad ... but to know it is more the breeed mix then just the few we see.

applauds minniyars post !!


tapettyjohn:

i have asked you this question before and never received a reply. what it is about your particular mix breed that attracted you to it ? essentially the two breeds look identical ... both small, white, curly haired, non shedding , hypoallergenic breeds. mixed breeding makes no sense to me ... but it even makes less sense to me to take two almost identical breeds and mix them together. for what exactly ? what about the two purebred parts of your mix do you not like and what thought process was it that you used to think that mixing two breeds that you dislike certain traits of would result in a dog that you would love and be compatible with ? i just don't get it .... but i would like to at least try and understand it.

i am glad that SO FAR your pup is healthy. and i pray he REMAINS healthy. my first and foremost concern ... no matter what breed, mix, etc. ....... is the health of the precious little life that was brought into this world. that it wasn't born to suffer a life of ailments or a premature death.

thank you in advance for your response.

yeah what pyrmom and dusty and minni etc. said.

What does a goldendoodle look like?

a goldendoodle looks like a big shaggy terrier mix ...... best way to describe it .... comes in golden or black from what i have seen. its hair looks wiry but it doesn't feel wiry it feels semi soft ... not as soft as a golden or a poodles .. little coarser then that.

http://www.tidewaterk9.com/Goldendoodles.htm

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You know, truthfully (and I'm really not trying to be insulting, just matter of fact) it seems to me like almost all of the poodle mixes look alike, which is a .. a generic poomix look? I can't explain it. In the face, they're so similar. same dark eyes, short noses, floppy ears, curled whiskers and topknots.. The exceptions are labradoodles and goldendoodles, because they have longer noses and are significantly larger..

"i do volanteer work at the Houston SPCA and 1/2 of those dogs are purebred "

I just looked at their website. It shows 85 mixed breed dogs, and 27 that are noted as purebred. Don't know how you get half of them are purebred out of that. That's actually less than 1/3 purebred dogs.

Health issues in designer mutts:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/NoPuppyMillsVA/Poo-dogs___Designer_Mutts/Health_Issues_in_Designer_Mutt/health_issues_in_designer_mutt.html

Bursting the mutt myth:

http://www.mysticalpoodles.com/poodle-breeders-recommend/article26.html

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Here is a list of Breed Predispositions to Disease and Congenital Conditions A to Z.

These diseases can be intensified through inbreeding or can be combined with mix breeding. Not all conditions can be determinded with health testing.

With mix breeding these Breed Predispositions can become muted but can bring a cornucopia of problems to the mix.

It's not the breed or mix breed of dog that I have a problem with, it't the ethics behind how the dogs came to be in the first place.

http://www.petdoc.ws/BreedPre.htm#A

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