I have always fed my dogs Purina Puppy Healthy Morsels. My 2 aussies, RIP, were on Purina all their lives and lived to be 13 and 9 (mother & son) we recently put them down. Our other 4 dogs are also on Purina Healthy Morsels along with my cats (Purina Cat Chow). I have seen no negative results from feeding them this. They also get eggs, bacon grease, and we mix a meat broth and put it in their food. (not at the same time of course lol) Here are a few pics of my babies
If i'm to purchase a pupper ,it's to me to decide what to feed my pupper ,not the breeder. Once the dog leaves the home and comes to my home i'm in charge of the puppy now .When I purchased Piper and Sadie (same breeder) , I would've been pissed had they told what I could and could not feed my pups that I paid for.Same goes for the vet to. again it's my pup , I make the choices. No breeder is going to tell me what wieght to keep my dogs at , or how to groom them.
Lastly it seems pretty judgemental to me that if a owner decides not to feed what you call a premium food that they can't offerd the proper care for their dog. That's just plain wrong to assume anything.
I agree with Husky and rednose,,,that's just plain wrong. If you did that, i bet you would never sell a pup and be stuck with them feeding them your "premium" dog food in return. Good luck with that though....
Actually Jackie I have been raising Shelties for 5 years and I have a 30 person waiting list right now. Almost half of my puppy families come back for a 2nd puppy within 2 years. Of the 30 people on my list, 8 of them already have at least one puppy from me. They don't think it's a big deal. Since I offer more than most breeders they figure if I give a little, they give a little. And since my prices are lower than what most breeders who do offer what I do are, I rarely get anyone who complains about anything I ask of my families. (mind you my prices are higher than the "Puppymills" or "BYB's")
In fact, the one person I've had complain over the last year eventually ended up thanking me for being so hands on as the vet she chose was milking her for every dime they could (wanted to give the puppy 7 Combo boosters).
And as far as I see it, if they want to feed a cheap food, what else are they going to compromise on? Not going to vaccinate? Going to skip heartworm preventative? If their dog gets sick will they take it to the vet? What do you consider a great home for a puppy? I think love and caring is a big part of the deal, but there are other factors. And I think there are a lot of "old school" people that don't provide the best level of care entirely because something worked for them years and years ago.
I expect my puppies to go to the same quality of home that I can provide myself.
And Jackie, you'll notice I said above that I don't breed a litter unless I have the waiting list to justify it. These people all have deposits down and know my "rules". I'm not going to get stuck with the puppies - and not because I want to get rid of them - but because I think puppies do best going to their new homes between 9 & 12 weeks and I do everything I can to insure that mine will have great families, that I've pre screened, and that I've already established a relationship with.
And rednose - the weight thing and vet thing is in my contract because I ended up having to have Sheltie rescue help me pull one of my pups from one of the only "bad homes" I've ever placed a puppy with. It was before I got so technical in my contract. When I got the dog back she was 10 lbs underweight (a lot for a dog whose ideal weight is 23 lbs), had fleas, coccidia, and whipworms. She was literally being starved to death and the Humane Society, in most states, can't do anything as long as the dog has water (doesn't have to be fresh) and isn't laying in it's own feces. People tend to pay a little better attention to their dogs weight if they know there is a consequence for not monitoring. And being severely over or underweight will kill a dog - slowly, but it can happen. I do everything I can to make sure my pups are getting a good home.
And since my main goal in breeding is not to make money, I'm less concerned with selling volumes of puppies as I am with making sure what I do breed goes to good homes. I know very few good breeders who don't make SOME stipulations concerning what they expect from their families. And I don't want to place puppies with people who just want to buy a dog and never deal with the breeder again. I want people who are going to stay in touch and know I am an extended resource for them.
I agree with you about the shots, heartworm, flea prevention, however, I can not afford to buy the high priced dog food. I buy Purina, always have, and my vet knows this and agrees with they way I feed my dogs, they are all at a perfect weight, and healthy. All I am saying is that I dont think it is fair to some people who will be good homes for the puppies. So basically youre saying that if I didnt feed them the food you would like me to, you would not sell me a puppy, even with references from my vet? I'm sorry, but I just think that is wrong---my opinion.
I'm flexible on the brand of food as long as it's a Super Premium brand (Canidae, Eagle Pack, Wellness, Chicken Soup, Natural Balance, Innova, Drs. Foster & Smith... If they can't find them in their area then I'm okay with Nutro). And truthfully, the really good foods work out to cost you about the same thing as the lower quality ones because you feed so much less (without all the fillers in the food the nutrients are concentrated so more of the food is useable nutrients).
Everyone thinks the price per bag makes it spendier. It's not. You spend about the same thing per month as you would feeding a lower quality food.
And, no, I wouldn't sell someone a puppy knowing they were going to feed Puppy/Dog Chow. I think my puppies deserve better than that. Next thing you know they will be using Hartz for flea and tick prevention...
Omg , and what's wrong with Hartz. I go between Front Line and Hartz. Having 2 dogs Front Line can be way too costly. It least this year i'm 6 months ahead.I wouldn't want a puppy from a breeder like you. You would be way too much in my life. If I choose to speak to Pipers breeder fine ,but it least she's not in my life and in my face watching everything I do with my dog I paid for.I like it that way.
I would never never use a Hartz product on an animal ever again. For one last time I used a product made by them , I think it was flea stuff, caused my dog to have big gaping bold spots...ALso its very well known that it can kill animals. Thats been known for years...
Hartz has been known to cause seizures in some breeds. Since I live in a wooded area I wouldn't trust a flea/tick preventative you get buy at Walmart for under $10 for 3 months...
My personal opinion is that if you can't afford to pay to take good care of a dog, you shouldn't have one. I realize that there are people who are taking worse care of their dogs - but my personal standards are higher than that. I'm not knocking you as a pet owner. I'm sure you do a fine job caring for your pets. I just feel I can do better than that and like I said, I expect my families to give their puppies at least the same level of care that I can provide.
I don't have a problem with e-fences as long as the dog isn't left outside in them unsupervised. If you're going to leave your dog unattended in an e-fence, then yes, I have a problem with them. :)
I am lucky, in 10 years I have never had a boxer with a flea- period, and only one that had ticks and she was shipped in from a puppymill in MO (I obviously didn't know it was a puppymill--darned internet).
I do not, and would not give any flea preventative until I see fleas. That goes for my pug and yorkie too. I don't feel the need to put on monthly pestisides on my dogs with out reason.
I give heartguard to my breeding and pregnant females, because it is the only form of ivermectin that is safe for them, otherwise I give my other dogs regular ivermectin for heartworm prevention and have never had one test positive (I test some every season, some every other season, just to be sure). My dogs do well on that program.
i am of the belief that if you are feeding a good food there is no reason to supplement it. i also would rather give my dogs no treats then give them ol roy treats. my mom actually bought my guys ol roy treats for christmas. i threw them out after i offered one to them and they wouldn't eat it. i don;t know how much better milk bones are .. probably not much but that's what they get if they get anything.
i was also of the belief that if something works for you stick with it. i still am but not to the degree that i was. all the dogs and cats i had prior to the crew i have now were raised on sotre bought cat food and dog food. the cats ate meow mix, purina one, firskies, etc. all those cats ..3 of them ... lived until the ages of 18 and 19 years of age. that itself is pretty darn old for a cat. i don't think eating felidae would have given them more years. the dogs were raised eating science diet, purina one, and iams. my golden mix was even fed chunky soup for the last 6-8 months of his life because he swore off his regular diet of iams when his cancer started to progress. he lived to 15 1/2 eating the supposed garbage foods. for a golden english pointer mix that is a good long time.
now here is why i have sort of changed my feelings on that theory to a degree. up until about 4-5 months ago everyone in this house was eating pro plan sensitive skin and stomach food. they were all doing well on it ... good eating habits, healthy, active, etc. after reading about different ingredients and talking to some others i decided to make a switch to innova EVO. within 3 weeks of the switch i noticed a drastic change in scouts appearance. her fur had fluffed up some and become really soft. she dropped a few pounds which was a great thing as she had been overweight some. and with this food i don;t have to add stuff into it to make her want to eat whereas with the pro plan i was having to add stuff in just to get her to eat it. now with salty i didn't notice a change at all. she also lost a bit of weight, again a good thing, but nothing visible with her appearance. one thing i did notice was her appetite had increased a lot. so now i am in the process of switching her to the plain innova because i don't think that EVO is right for her. thunder is still on the pro plan and just had a vet exam and i was told he looks awesome for his age .. which is 8 now.
so while i think that if you think your dog is doing well on a food you may not know how well they can really do on a better food if you don't take the leap and switch. but better foods may not be the best for all dogs. but if you have to supplement to achieve what you would get feeding a high quality food then i don't see why you wouldn't just make the switch.
as far as abbylynnes statement about not selling pups to people who would feed crap food i would back that up a hundred percent. i personally wouldnt want to spend painstaking hours and lots of money trying to give my puppies the best start in life only to hand them over to someone who thought feeding ol roy or alpo or cycle was good enough. my list of feed would be large enough that anyone could find a good feed within their price budget.
ali my dogs are not picky when it comes to treats. all i have to say is cookie and they come running and will eat anything i have .. well except when i tried to give them the ol roy cookies. knowing whats in ol roy dog food i cant say i blmae them...
red that is how salty is with the EVO. i dont know what it is either but i am switching her off it to regular innova and will probably switch thunder to the reg innova also as it seems a bit nuts ... even for me =) .... to have 3 different brands of dog food in the house.