TM, i did take the advice for the rotty, ferret, yorkie and goats, so i don't know what your talking about. And the reason the guy does not want the horse is because his kids don't care for it anymore. he feeds the horse and waters it, and all i asked was what to do, not get into an argument over the fact that the horse doesn't live with me.
Rotty, dont turn this into "TraumaMamma is attacking me"
From your first post on this thread you stated you went with your grandpa, the hooves were bad, they were smelly and you rode the poor animal for 2 hrs straight. Your dad manhandled it, your sisters were hopping on it and it was rearing up and falling down.
All given from YOUR experience.
Now all of a sudden its grandpas fault cause he knew about the hooves?
So you didnt see them, or smell them?
What about the ride you took? Did you know that you are supposed to warm them up, just like an athelete does before he goes to work? More importantly, they need to be cooled down too, or they can get very sick and tie up.
You admitted no one would take your rotty to the vet when it got heatstroke, as you guys didnt have much money. A *free* horse, is still an expense, and especially so in this condition. You cannot afford to take away from the other animals.
What worries me is, your dog has a prey drive that killed a goat. Being as Rotties are hearding animals, they werent supposed to kill what they were in charge of.
I fear what will happen when horse and dog collide.
Why, why WHY bother to ask us all here as we care about animals, only to find out that animals are not vetted or treated properly after we tell you?
It is very frustrating for me, but I will say everyone else here would be frustrated as well.
How old is this poor horse, anyways?
If the horse is white or grey, its hooves may be weaker than any other colored horse.Which means harder to correct and more farrier bills for you.
In the end, parents or grandparents are going to be responsible for all the vet bills ,farrier, and feed etc as the op doesn't have a job and goes to school and is only 13. In my experience with teenagers they want everything. It's then up to the parents to say NO. We have enough animals or we can't afford a horse, or we need to learn more before we add another animal to our family. We can get as mad as we want at the 13 yr old op , but for me it's the parents I am upset with. You can give all the info needed to the op, but what is she going to do about it? Hire the barn builder, buy the hay, find and call a good farrier, drive the dogs to the vet and pay the bill? After Grandpa saw the feet, did he call the farrier or vet?? Did he check the horse out first before he let his 13 yr old granddaughter ride it for 2 hrs on sore feet? What about being safe on a new horse? OP is not responsible for all these animals, the darn parents are!! OP, if you do get the horse, 4-H is a great idea!!! You have to step back at this point and ask yourself, do we have enough animals right now and mabey we shouldn't get the horse. Grandpa and dad now know the horses feet are in bad shape and need a good farrier. Ask them to call one right away so the horse in not in pain. If they don't step up to the plate call call one that same day, I would tell them we shouldn't get this horse if we aren't GOING TO BE ABLE TO CARE FOR IT. My beef is also with the current owners!! DO THEY not know that the horse has really bad cracked, sore feet? They let a 13 yr old girl get on the darn horse, and ride it for 2 hrs?? PLEASE...... Sounds like the adults in this mess need the education more than the 13 yr old OP!!
I totally agree with you Jean and my angst is towards the old owners as well as the parents of he OP.
However, even tho I knew my horses well, I didnt "cowboy up on mine" until they had been warmed up and esp if they hadnt been ridden in a while. Sometimes that first ride of the year is quite memorable!
The kid coulda been hurt, esp since the poor horse is hurting already.
It just really sucks to hear of the horrible situations weekly from the OP and know that these things are going on and not taken care of.
I am 56 years old and have been around horses my entire life. I started riding before I started walking (litterally) and I rode rough stock from about 17 to about 30 and I have received more injuries with horses than most people receive in their life.
A horse is anywhere from 800 to 1,200 lbs of nerves and muscle and you need to know what they are going to do before they know what they are going to do or you will get hurt.
Take lessons, go to the local hack stable join the local 4H, do something to learn as much as you can or both you and the horse will get hurt.
I love when people think a horse is a large outside animal and don't require much attention. B.S. They need more attention than a dog as a dog can fend for themselves much more than a horse.
Vet twice a year for shots Farrier every 6 to 8 weeks to trim and shoe Quality feed and hay Not to mention a trailer to get it to a clinic in an emergency
Maybe you should buy an older horse, one that is bomb proof, and board it at a facility that knows how to take care of it and will teach you.
If this horse has feet that long and that bad with thrush it needs immediate care, get a black smith fast.
If allowed to walk with its feet that long you will do damage to the delicate bones in the horses ankle, spread them apart and the horse could be cripple for life
If you allow the thrush to go untreated the frog is probably rotted away at this point. Horses have bad circulation in their legs and the frog acts as a pump, pumping blood to the legs, if the frog is rotted away then the horse is not getting good circulation anc that can also cause the horse to be crippled for life.
You have a responsibility to know how to care for your pets and if you don't have someone that can teach you. If you must own a horse then keep it at a boarding stable where they can care for it and teach you how to care for it. The last place that horse belongs is in your back yard.
I no longer ride rough stock or show my horses but all the same having them at home, I don't care if you have a 1/2 acre or 100 acres, becomes a life style, not a hobby.
Mafia, I understand where you are coming from, but seriously, you can't expect a 13 yr old kid to make all these decisions about caring for all these animals. She can't even drive and dosen't have a job. If she called a vet or a farrier I'm sure they would want to talk to the PARENTS to see whats going on and who is going to pay for all the treatments. I agree she shouldn't have ridden the horse, HOWEVER, the parents and grandpa, and owner, that should know better, and STILL let this CHILD ride the horse!! All the advise is great , but I ask, what can a kid do about it? Parents need to drive the kids to 4-H and sign them up etc. Parents need to call the vet, and farrier for the animals, and are totally responsible for all their animals in my opinion. I have been at horse shows that parents put their kids on these unbroke horses and I hold my breath hoping the kid makes it through the class without being killed. I'm not kidding at all! I got my first horse at 13, but I had good mentors to help me. The mentors this child has for care of animals, sounds really lame to me!!!!!!!!!! ( pardon the pun). When kids call me about pups for sale, I always say. have your parents call me. AS far as I know, nobody is going to do business with a 13 yr old child.
Renorey Say that again about the "ankle" bones "spreading"?
I think the problem with long feet is the risk of breaking off at the quick, setting up a potential infection in the hoof wall, an absess or just being lame. Horses pastern bones do not spread. They would rather compress, causing a ringbone issue, which is more comformational or traumatic rather than long feet.
So you rode your horse for a long time even though it had thrush and let your family members spook the poor horse? It's not the horses fault it got scared, it was just nervous with two people that the horse never met before on it's back!
I say sell the horse to someone who knows how to care of them.
I tried to keep it simple so a 13 year old without equine knowledge could understand it.
When a woman walks on 9" spikes she changes the angle of the foot, this puts stess on the other joints and although it is ok to wear these spikes every once in a while, the woman who wears nothing but 9" spikes will soon experience acute lameness and then eventually chronic lameness. The same for a horse with long feet.
There are may perminate injuries that could occure, to mention a few, damage to the coffin joint, the navicular bone, cracked hoofs, speedy toe, sheared heels, founder, just to mention a few of the more common ones.
By making the statement of spreading the bones I was refering to damage to the coffin joint and navicular bone, I probabbly stated it too simple for anyone with equine knowledge, but I thought I was talking to a 13 year old with zero knowledge in this matter.
***Edited By: Renorey on 6/1/2006 7:55:46 PM*** Reason: typo
Dan Ro- There is no guarantee that the next person who buys the horse will know any more than Rotty's family. The sad fact is when you get down to the level of horses that are 'given away', they generally don't have too many good options.
I don't know where she lives, but if that horse goes to auction chances are good that it will end up in some one on this forum's dog food.
Ok.... I can see that this got VERY heated; Rottie I'm new hear and maybe you don't give a Rat Sassy what I say.
I currently have 10 horses, varying in age, breed, and health.
Everyone on here gave you good sound advice.
Sadly I don't think you... or your family (grandfather aside) has enough horse knowledge to allow this animal to live comfortably. You Don't have enough expereince to have ever even GOTTEN this animal...
Please, put an ad in your paper for a horse for a companion or light riding for small child. Find him a good home.
Wandering_Spirit, that is probably what i will do after my dad gets everything strait with the horse first. prymom gave me some good advice. although i garantee all of you i'm most likely not going to keep the horse.
Renorie as a rule, the hoof will break off before it gets so long as to cause lameness or put stress on the joints. that's how the hoof was designed. I would rather think that a 13 year old can understand the term "compress". ALso navicular damage is due to a too small foot on a too big and heavy horse,i.e. a halter horse., sometimes a too small shoe stressing the hoof, but I've never in 37 years of experience heard of navicular due to a long toe....