I agree with Jawlawww ,stop slinging Kats name through the mud. It has to stop. She's not here ,this is not fair to her. You are all ganging up on some one who's not here to defend herself wether you agree with her actions or not is a moot point. SHE'S NOT HERE ,SO STOP ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!! Is she was still a member then you can take it up with her ,BUT SHE'S NOT ANYMORE. Leave her name alone. This behavior is gross.
I have been watching these posts all day long. I don't think that it is pure humiliation, but education. I think if nothing else Kat's story will teach people that are thinking of getting a dog, that they each have personalities.
Owning a pet is not just for the rich. However, the animals need to be cared for like children.
If there was something wrong with my daughter's health, would I rehome her??? No way!!! Well, maybe if her attitude doesn't improve. J/K
My dogs are in ways more rewarding than the kids. They don't talk back, or do any of the things that drive me crazy like the kids. Pets make messes, but never have I seen a bigger mess than my kids room.
If I could offer advice...... Treat the decision of getting an animal just like you would treat the decision to have or adopt a child. There are alot of children being abused, but we know better than to take them in just because it hurts us to see it. For a pet to become a part of your family, you have to accept them and their problems and expenses, just like you would a child.
Just to clear things up. Katz and I are NOT friends. We are civil to each other but we have had our share of disagreements, but I don't care who it is. I get tired of seeing some people on this forum gang up on one person.
I was one of the people that posted an explanation on this thread, and to defend it, I wanted to say that the reason this thread exists at all is because Katz had her issues on the other site by lying to us all. She then asked to be removed as a member on that site. Admin did that at HER request. She then came on here (TP) and posted one sided stories about what happened. She accused people of stalking her and being a danger to her family. But that wasn't the case at all, and I think the people in question just wanted to explain their side. It certainly isn't a bash session. It's a defense. It's not fair for these members in question to be made out to be the bad guys because people are only hearing one side of the story. The reason Katz other threads aren't on here is because she personally asked admin to remove them. They would have remained if she hadn't asked that. This one is on here because it wasn't by Katz.
Just wanted to clear up that this thread isn't one-sided. It isn't the thread that was allowed to stay. It's just that Katz wanted to erase her other ones. What Katz brought over here were stories about her feeling unsafe and making her situation seem worse then it was. She wasn't disclosing all the information about what she actually did in this whole situation. So the people she was referring to just wanted to defend themselves.
***Edited By: Huntersmom on 6/8/2006 11:39:39 PM*** Reason: ...
I have not posted on here in a while, but thought I'd give my two cents - that is the beauty of a forum.
I don't see anyone bashing Katz here. Katz posted her threads and told her story. She brought other people's names in (when they had discussions in a private environment) and now the other side just wants to share their side, too. I think most people on here are genuinely concerned for the animals. No one is threatening her life. No one is starting a thread named, "Katz is a psycho".
This thread was started to tell another side to a story that Katz had failed to mention. If you're going to tell a story, tell ALL of it.
I don't see any bashing - I just see a bunch of facts because Katz started her own little thread - and now pope and others posted theirs as well.
Katz is telling people that she feels her family is at risk. And the others are simply trying to show their side. Their side includes facts from Katz's own posts, her lies, and their concern for HER pets.
I too liked Katz.. I don't, however, like people being deceived or being portrayed as stalkers.
red since I can't seem to find the words to reply, I believe I will let Fiona Apple since she's got the right idea.
"I seem to you to seek a new disaster every day You deem me due to clean my view and be at piece and lay I mean to prove I mean to move in my own way, and say, I've been getting along for long before you came into the play
I am the baby of the family, it happens, so Everybody cares and wears the sheeps' clothes While they chaperone Curious, you looking down your nose at me, while you appease Courteous, to try and help - but let me set your Mind at ease
Do I so worry you, you need to hurry to my side? It's very kind But it's to no avail; I don't want the bail I promise you, everything will be just fine
If there was a better way to go then it would find me I can't help it, the road just rolls out behind me Be kind to me, or treat me mean I'll make the most of it, I'm an extraordinary machine"
First Katz adopted from a Kill shelter right? Not a rescue. Maybe she didn't think that they would place the chow in a rescue. Maybe they really wouldn't have. It is easy to say what they would or wouldn't have done when they don't have the dog, but pure bred dogs die in shelters every day. It seems odd that a most likely under funded, shelter would make a 7 hour round trip for one adult dog. Maybe I am wrong, I guess we will never know.
Let me tell you what most people would have done with that chow, in my area any way. Either they would have just taken the dog home and said to heck with vet care, it's not required, and stuck him on a chain.
Or they would have taken him directly to the vet, found out that this 'pound dog' had expensive health problems and taken him right back to the pound. Not caring if he was euthanized or not, and they would have picked out a younger puppy.
At least she TRIED to 'save' him. What harm did it do? He got a free bath (at her expense) and a free vet visit---that the shelter obviously didn't do (at her expense) and a free ride to the Chow rescue (at her expense).
What harm has been done to this dog? What harm came from this situation OTHER than she will not be able to 'rescue' another dog off death row from that shelter?
I don't see the problem. If she was keeping all these rescues, that she can't afford to take care of, then she would be a hoarder.
Meh. Every one thinks there opinion is right. I personally think it is crossing the line to contact people outside the forum. To me that is a violation of trust.
The dog was NOT being harmed. If she said she was dumping it that is one thing, but she was making appropriete arrangements. Contacting the shelter was just vidictive, but it is a good lesson to learn. Not to share too much personal information on the internet. Hopefully that is a lesson that Katz learned if nothing else.
I am going to skip this thread from now on and I hope others let it die too.
I have always thought of Huntersmom and Dusty as pretty level-headed, so it makes me think that there is something missing. But again.... I hate to see someone get bashed like this and not be able to be here and at least defend herself. Now, I would like to know why Iamspurdy got banned. This is bringing back bad memories........
Ali, honestly a few days ago I was in the same situation as you. I thought the dog was better off. I have since learned that the shelter was contacted and they thought she adopted the dog for herself. They didn't know about her intentions to rehome him. They were not happy with this. They also explained that they would not have ever put the dog down, that he would have gone to a Chow rescue if his 'time was up'. Katz basically told everyone that this dog was in danger to justify getting him in the first place. She said she was fostering him to ease the burden of explaining to everyone why she got another dog. By saying she fostered him, she could rehome him and it wouldn't be as big of a deal. Her intentions seemed good, and I thought the same thing, but everything she did with that dog was out of deceit. And the shelter confirmed it.
Jaw, you're sweet to say that you felt I was levelheaded. I hope I didn't put mistrust in you because I'm honestly not trying to stir stuff up, but I saw all this firsthand on the other forum, and also from talking to Katz herself. I watched the back and forth, and read all the threads so I got to see exactly what was going on. I still like Katz as a person, and I wish her the best of luck finding a good rescue for Harley, but the only reason I posted here was because people were making comments about Pope and Dusty and hadn't heard their side of the story yet. Since I knew both sides from watching it all play out, I just wanted to mediate. I'm sorry I got involved in the firstplace. This is all actually giving me a headache. Now I know why I usually stay out of this stuff. It will be the last, that's for sure, lol. Not trying to be cowardly, just can't think of much more to add, I'm going to stop posting on this issue. I said that last night, but I didn't realize it would get dragged over here. It was in a private section of a private forum before.
I understand why people who haven't been following the whole story and have seen only this thread might think that Katz is being picked on, but truly that is not the case. Nobody is out to get her. They're just worried about the dog. The story is long, and it is complicated. But even the people who are mad at her for lying want to see a happy ending. They want Harley to get the surgery he needs and for Katz to learn to enjoy her pets and to keep them forever. That's hardly the kind of thing that vengeful people wish for.