I started this post while katz was still a member and was on-line at tp. It was a good 30 minutes later that she asked to be removed from tp, so she had every opportunity to rebut my statements, which were in response to HER earlier posts.
The biggest problem I have is the sheer number of rehomes for her own pets. Some of the reasons are pretty dumb is you ask me. Not bonding is pretty bad reason to rehome an animal. Or the cat that didn't like her or the dogs so she got rehome. That is the low of the low for me.
And Jaw you don't have to agree with me but maybe Katz does need some help. The sheer number of pets that have been rehomed by her ,in what a 2 yr time period, is beyond belief.
Looking at the big picture (which I can't, because I have no idea what this other forum is), it seems to me that there are much more dangerous people who take in every available animal, and keep them, letting them live in squallor-like conditions.
I'm not saying that it's not sad when animal after animal gets re-homed, but there are bigger pet issues to worry about in this world. Unfortunately!
Hey Pope, If what you wrote is correct she got 2 pomeranians from breeders and rehomed them? I just bought my pom from a breeder and part of the agreement was that they get the pup back if I decide that I cant keep him. I thought that most breeders had this as part of their contract. But regaurdless you do not purchase an animal that if bought from a reputable breeder and then rehome it. Shame on her. If she was rescueing animals and rehomeing thats one thing but not purchaseing and adopting. kudos to Pope
***Edited By: newpommom on 6/9/2006 12:50:33 AM*** Reason: Decided I dont know the law to say this.
Lol, okay I'm only responded because I had a question asked of me. =P
No, I do not live by Katz. The reason I know of this shelter is because I talk to Dusty, and know that she lives near Katz. On the other forum that myself, Dusty and Katz are members of, Katz and Dusty would sometimes talk about living in the same region.
When Katz posted a link to petfinder of the Harley saying that was going to 'foster' this dog, Dusty contacted that shelter as well to see if she could foster also. So the initial shelter contact was done out of innocence by Dusty. Dusty and Katz don't know each other in real life, but Dusty thought that since Katz could foster from that shelter, that maybe she could too since she lived within distance of that shelter. That's how the whole thing got started. When Dusty asked the shelter if she could foster, and was told no, she was confused as to why Katz could foster and she couldn't. That's when it all came out that Katz wasn't in fact fostering like she had said, but had adopted the dog. Sorry to speak for you Dusty, just wanted to explain how I knew about the shelter.
Okay. I'm really gone from this particular thread this time. Dusty and Pope know the stories well, so I'm sure they wouldn't mind answering any questions. Hehe..spoke for ya'll again! ;)
***Edited By: Huntersmom on 6/9/2006 12:43:29 AM*** Reason: ...
Thanks for answering my questions again. I don't like to assume things. I like to know the truth about what's going on. Plus I've had a super long day and I guess I WAS having trouble understanding what was going on. hahah, guess its time to go to bed! And being noisey so I had to ask.
I must say that I'd agree with Alicat on this one. Katz took in a lot of animals, gave them a chance, fixed them up on her own dime, then found them a forever home that was a good fit for both the animal, and the new owner. What does a rescue group do? They take in lots of animals that others wouldn't have given a chance, give them that chance, fix them up on their own dime, and then find a forever home that is a good fit for both the animal, and the new owner. So basically, Katz was operating a rescue group that did not discriminate by breed. She's done more to help animals than most people here, including myself, and now thats ruined because a little girl couldn't mind her own business and thrives on drama. You should be proud of yourself.
I've had Merphy for a year now, and I am still learning things daily. One thing I learned long ago is that dogs don't read. I really don't think Harley, or any of her other animals, cared whether her receipt read "Adopted," "Purchased," or "Fostered." He got some well deserved attention. She found that she could not provide for his needs, and took him somewhere that could. Even rescue groups run out of money sometimes, and they at least get donations here and there...Katz wasn't taking donations.
As far as what the shelters intentions were in regards to sending Harley to a rescue, it has been my experience with rescue groups that they would prefer that someone adopt the dog if they are able to properly care for them. I met a guy that runs a Mastiff rescue as he was evaluating a 6 year old female Mastiff who had been used for repeated breedings (her nipples hung down to her knees). He was all but begging me to take the dog, since the lady who would take her in as a rescue if I didn't, had three rescues already, as well as two Mastiffs of her own. Some they have to turn away. This may have been the case with Harley. None of you know, cuz none of you were there.
I actually want to do something like this once my business is open...adopt a dog in need, rehabilitate him, and then readopt him out. I guess I should keep my mouth shut around here...someone with a chip on their shoulder might shut me down.
I meant as in rescues with the intent not to keep. They weren't being pulled to be fostered and fixed up. They were pulled to be family. Like this guy seems to be depending upon how the wind is blowing and which lie Katz is choosing to tell at which moment.
I'm new to this forum, and I have to say I'm pretty appalled at this thread.
Let me get this straight .. someone adopted a chow from a shelter, took him to her home, gave him a bath, had him vet-checked, and because she talked about rehoming him and some on this forum don't like that she did all these great things for the dog, they actually stepped out of cyberspace and butted into her REAL life?
That is WAY over the line.
I'm a chow owner, and I've helped with chow rescue over the past several years. ANY chow that is taken out of a shelter situation and brought into a loving home is better off. Many chows have a very tough time sitting in a kennel without one-on-one attention. And the chow rescues have a lot to do already and are ALWAYS begging for foster homes.
I am just amazed at you people. This dog is no longer sitting in a cold kennel at an animal shelter, confused and probably frightened by the situation. He's been vetted and cleaned up. Yet some of you have some sort of vendetta against her to the point where you actually complained to the shelter???
It would be great if each and every one of you bashing this person would get out of this forum and go adopt a dog from the pound in order to rehome it. Quit worrying about whether someone told a few little lies and concentrate on the FACT that this dog is NOT sitting in a shelter anymore.
Jawlaw, in response to your question I banned Iams becasue I asked, in EVERY SINGLE post she made to please stop mentioing another forum by name. I edited the forum name out, made the request only to have to do so again in each of the following posts. Simple rule, simple request. This is not "shades of the past". Warnings were given and ignored.
If the poster thinks she can follow the rules when asked, reapeatedly to do so, she is more than welcome to come back.
Lavsk, welcome to the forum. I agree that rescue is wonderful and not enough folks have the heart, time, patience or housing to allow them to do so.
If you will re-read what was posted you will see that this rescue was brought into the home with a male Chow who had already shown male to male aggression. This dog was not fostered, but adopted removing him from a shleter which works with and would have placed him with a Chow rescue that they work with on a regular basis. This dog was brought in shortly after another male Chow mix had been re-homed because of HIS male to male aggression.
That is what is at issue and why posters who have been spaeking with her for well over a year have been frustrated by the re-homing of and replacement of her pets. The lying was also a betrayal of those who have considered themselves her on-line friends.
The fact that this thread is here is only as a result of revutting comments she had made.
***Edited By: pyrmom on 6/9/2006 7:07:41 AM*** Reason: *
Time to throw my .02 cents in, which I will do then move on, as I think this has already garnered way too much attention.
For all of those who are running in from all corners to defend the poor victim of this stalking by 'psychos', abuse and otherwise maligned character, perhaps you should ask this 'innocent' what prompted this thread.
Better yet, follow some logic.
Stop responding without UNDERSTANDING and actually READ what has been said. Apply comprehension and you'll get somewhere.
As has been stated time and again, this 'innocent' was NOT trying to rescue a dog in need. Let's review:
The dog was not in need.
It was not going to be PTS.
It was not close to the end of its time at a kill shelter.
It was not taken because the shelter called begging for a home.
It was not taken in to be a foster animal, rehomed to a loving family.
It was ADOPTED two weeks after arriving at a shelter.
It was taken from a shelter that works with rescue.
It was taken from a shelter that gives six months to the animal before rescue is called.
It was ADOPTED under the pretense that it would belong to the person adopting it.
It was ADOPTED into a family that could not afford the medical treatment the dog obviously needed.
It was ADOPTED into a family that already had an unaltered dog which had exhibited same sex aggression.
It was ADOPTED into a home that only was approved to adopt the dog by LYING to the shelter.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS IRRELEVANT.
This "innocent" is not afraid for her life or her family. That's completely absurd. She is not afraid of being stalked.
It's a petty ploy to string up a line of hopeless suffrogettes supporting her cause and to further her deepseated need to be the center of attention. Yep. Center of attention. There, I've said it.
That would be why she had to start numerous threads on this dog before she got it, all of them full of lies. Then when the lies were exposed, new threads with new lies. After that round passed, another came with even more lies. When all that seemed to be going sour, they were followed up with beautiful goodbyes on several different forums full of (you guessed it!) more lies.
The sad thing about all of this is that on the day that this dog was ADOPTED into her FAMILY, it could very well have been ADOPTED by a family that would love and cherish it. That chance is now gone forever. I'm sure you'll quote statistics back at me about how poor the chances were, but there WAS a chance and now there is NONE.
IF the animal goes into rescue, it would be wonderful. HOWEVER, the desire to keep the dog has been alluded to several times. When the medical expenses came up, rescue was to be called. When people offered to donate money for the dog, it was perhaps going to stay.
So let's say that this dog DOES stay. Has the operation it needs. But...its not cute anymore. As soon as this dies down, where do YOU think this pet will end up?
Out the door like all the rest.
Rescuing animals in need is noble. Taking animals home so you can brag about how cute they are and bask in the glow of adoration from others is wrong. Rehoming the animal when it no longer garners that attention is also wrong. There is nothing noble about what happened here.
Good intentions add up to just that. If you don't follow through with them, then you're just as well off saying "I wish I could help that dog".
What I see the biggest problem with - just in this ONE situation (even if you ignore the history) is that Katz ADOPTED a dog that she didn't have the means or resources to care for. People who do rescue actively understand that when they FOSTER an animal they either have the rescue organization to help them pay for medical costs, or they commit to them themselves. If Katz wants to FOSTER she needs to align herself with an organization that can help give her exposure for the animals she is adopting out, and will put protocol into place.
The dog would have been bathed by the Shelter. He would have been seen by a vet. Those points are null and void. All the dog got out of the deal was a comfy place to sleep at night - which isn't to be discounted - but also shouldn't be made to be more than it is.
What I feel is being missed is that Katz obviously has more on her plate than she can handle already. By randomly bringing in new pets that she has to "adopt out" later she is taking time, attention, and funds away from the pets she already has committed to.
So she can't affored to give Harley the medical attention he needs - what happens if Chi-Ching developes some kind of health issue in the next year? Will he also head to Chow Rescue? Or is he a different story than the rest? My personal views on pet care include that you commit to caring for them - for better or worse. I can understand if the surgery was $2000-3000 - but if it's under $1000 you had better be prepared to figure out a way to make that surgery happen. If you can't afford vet bills - and EVERY pet comes with them - you don't deserve to have a dog.
This whole situation stinks - and I can't believe people are defending her. I agree that she doesn't deserve a thread devoted to pointing out her downfalls as a human being - but let's face it - only a handful of people on here know who she is OUTSIDE of this forum, so it's not much different than us pointing out flaws in an alias. I'm not attacking her as a person - I'm attacking the person I know from this forum. I don't know her real name. I don't know where she lives. I wouldn't know her on the street. If she HAPPENED to share personal information with someone else - that's her problem. Not mine. As adults you have to be accountable for your actions.
She has done way more the goof up once. I counted 15 animals that have been in her care that have been rehomed. But I also wonder what happened to the Poms she used to bred. Did she dump all those when she no longer wanted to breed them?
I understand what everyone is saying,,it has been made clear (alot I may add),,,and ok,,goof wasnt strong enough word,,,,but to continue with this is pointless. Everyone has strong feeling about the animals she has "re-homed" including me, but all I can say is luckily for the animals, they went to good homes. Whether she did it the wrong way or not, they are not being loved and taken care of, isnt that the main concern... I know what you all are saying, and trying to make clear what she did,,that has been done over and over.
Again,,WOW, and dont take what I said the wrong way, please. Everyone did a great job exposing her,,,I just think enough is enough thats all