I was in Petsmart about a week ago with Jasmine. There was a black lab there with the service dog jacket on, she was in training. She kept showing such an interest in Jasmine, and every time she did the trainer yelled at her. I guess I understand that, because shes supposed to be working with the trainer. Jasmine and I walked by, had no choice but to go that way, and the dog turned to Jasmine and wagged her tail, the trainer yanked the leash so hard the dog fell face first on the floor and cried. Then she dragged her across the store.
Is this common procedure? If so I'm not too thrilled with it.
i would have to say no. i have seen them at the local mall adn they are nothing but sweet and the dogs are taught positively, not roughly. did you get the name of the organization? if so, i'd call them and report it.
I could see getting mad about paying attention to Jazzy.... but that it totally uncalled for. I know there's a place around here where people foster the puppies until they are a certain age... take them to service dog training and then give them back.. I think it's when they are about 2.
Was the dog a puppy?Here they get typical families to foster the puppies till they are around a year, then the trainers take them back and train them to do what ever they are being used for. It quite possible just a puppy raiser and should be reported if the puppy is being misstreated.
Here the CNIB fosters their dogs for a year wit hfamilies, and then they go for training, but they wear the vest throughout it all. So it could be a foster family if the dog is small enough rather than a 'trainer'.
Yeah what Sue beat me to like 30 seconds before I posted, lol.
***Edited By: mafiaprincess on 6/14/2006 4:50:05 PM*** Reason: add
That doesn't seem normal. How can you train a dog with aggression, or make it fear you. I understand pulling the leash, and correcting. But the dog shouldn't have gone head first into the floor, that'd scare the crap out of any dog!
Its ashame you didnt get the organization name, you could report them. Maybe they will be there next time.
***Edited By: siennalovesmax on 6/15/2006 9:50:50 PM*** Reason: Add
I work with a lot of trainers in the working dog world. Some od the people have kennels that train dogs for the blind and, one for people with limited mobility. This is a common practise with a lot trainers for these service dogs. There is a method to the madness. Using positive methods rewards behaviors more than just the command. Positive training creates animation and excitment. The dog works for something it wants. This is great for dogs who are bomb dogs, law enforcement, rescue. These dogs need to be animated, quick and entusiastic. Sniffing all day for something they are not particular interested in takes a alot motivation from the dog. as does dealing with the stress of chasing down a bad guy.
But for seeing eye dogs and and other assitance dogs. The dog cannot EVER run across a street to say high to a dog or stop in the middle of the road to say hi to a dog or person. they must resist any type of temptation that normal a dog would give in to.
They give these dogs almost a frontal labatomy. correcting any type of animation or temptation.
In dogs that are for work like sniffers or protection drives are nurtured and built. in service dogs they are destroyed.
It really is sad...but it happens to more dogs than one would like to believe.
The problem with police dogs is they really do not get the training they need. They dogs work 90% of the time and train 10% of the time. Also the alot of the police training as well as the military is the training has not changed since 1950. The dogs are trained with a lot of force. because it's quick, but the results are so so. training protection dogs. I do not have a time limit. I can train for ever before a dog is ready to go into a trial. police an military do not have very much time to get the dogs ready to go. they cannot afford to train a dog for 3 years before it's first day on the job. also i trian 90% of the time and trial 10% of the time. it is sad.
riley, may I have your permission to copy your message#1 of this thread and send it to a friend of mine on a breed-specific group that I belong to? She has a Great Pyr service dog (her second) and I'd like to see how she responds to your question. By the way, I understand if you'd prefer I did not send your message off of this board. :) Val