Thats nothing!!! I used to volunteer at a Paws with a Cause facility and they were terrible to the dogs. They threw cans filled with rocks at them, pinched them to make the yelp, hit them and many more things. I couldn't go back again, too depressing. And let me not even get into guide dogs. I can only imagine what trainers do to them.
Riley, the following is the reply I got from my friend, Josephine...it includes a quote from your initial post:
"Is this common procedure? If so I'm not too thrilled with it."
far from it.. how horrid for the dog..
some questions for you. what state did this occur in?? reason i ask.. is regarding the *in-training* laws in that state.. while petsmart allows animals.. i am wondering about other stores..
if there are no *sd in training laws*.. then it would depend on whether the person with the dog was disabled.. and in what capacity..
either way.. it doesnt sound like a situation that i would want to have occuring in my area.. as that person would be making it look bad for ALL that have sdogs..
legally, a BUSINESS (other then petco.. if this person is taking said animal into other places ) can only ask if that person is disabled.. if the dog is a service dog (and thanks to a decision of a case against costco) they can also ask what tasks the dog does for the disabled person.
if there are in-training laws in the state this occured in.. in order for the person handling the dog, to NOT be disabled... the state laws must specifically allow a non-disabled person to be the trainer. some states require that the trainers be licensed with the state.. or at least be on a list the state has for a school in that state.. while thats not legal with regards to a disabled person training their next sdog.. it does sort of protect just anyone from trying (sort of .. cause in some states its hard to get it enforced)
but .. just because its limited in what a business can ask.. depending on how nosey the person observing this was or wanted to be.. I know that i would have gone up to the woman.. and been dang nosey.. and asked her what the dog was being trained FOR.. like in mobility (and i would ask to what extent) or alert or if it was an emotional support animal.. (which dont really have the same amt of access as people want to claim)
IF the person that observed it.. wanted to protest it.. they should call the local police dept.. and give them a description of the person with the dog.. and that its suspected that the person is not skilled enough in dog training to be training that dog in sdog duties..
thing is.. most truely disabled persons (though not all) dont mind being questioned IF there is genuine concern for the welfare of the dog.. and i say geniune rather then just a ruse to deny access or to cause problems..
example.. last summer, when marion and i were going into the craft store.. we observed a couple of women that were taking their pets into the stores with them.. putting them in the baskets. and going in talking away..
the dogs werent on leashes even.. there IS a leash law in this state.. doesnt matter if the dogs are service dogs or not.. its for ALL dogs.. so in that respect.. they were breaking a law..
then the dogs didnt ACT like sdogs.. they were yapping and jumping and the owners werent paying attention.. just talking back and forth.
so i, being nosey.. walked up to the lady with the worst acting dog.. and asked her point blank.. *are you disabled??*.. and i got the answer.. *heavens no*.. so that right there told me that she was bringing her pet into the store.. so i told her then that only service dogs were allowed in the stores..
that upset her.. cause she had seen me before bringing my large dog into the stores with me.. so she had reasoned that she could bring her small breed dog in.. just cause..
while marion went to find the manager and to educate him on the law.. he didnt know that he could ask the questions OR that he could actually refuse to allow the dogs .. even IF they had been honest to goodness sdogs.. based on their behaviour.. AND that of the owners (for not observing the state laws of being on leashes)
i flat out told the woman that she was committing a crime.. and that she had stated she was not disabled.. she claimed she was going to tell the store mgr that she was disabled just to be able to keep her dog with her.. and i told her that IF she did.. that committing FRAUD was worse and i would certainly testify for the store against her.. and that when the judge saw my sdog versus her pet.. he would know that her pet was NO service dog..
the store mgr came and they were asked to leave..
and on the way OUT .. i ran into yet another woman trying to bring her PET dog in.. and that one also wasnt leashed.. and it actually leapt out of the carriage at my Heather.. and the woman was mad because of not being allowed to go in.. and she was trying to keep me from getting out.. so that she could yell at me.. and i really didnt care..
push came to shove.. heather was gearing up to take me out of there.. even if it meant going over the shopping cart... luckily this woman realized that and moved the shopping cart .. Heather meant business..
and its not the first time that i have asked someone if they are disabled.. and i get nosey.. and even marion doesnt stop at telling other handlers that they are mistreating their sdog by using the collar for mobility reasons.. that is just wrong
best way.. is that IF someone sees that going on .. they need to speak up.. either to the person.. or to the store owner.. and hopefully to a law enforcement person.. just to give a heads up on that person..
cause based on what you have printed here.. that sure doesnt sound like a person that needs to be training or handling that dog..
and i truely question the person being disabled..
(if mobility sdog.. they couldnt drag it .. and surely not jerk it so hard to drop it to the floor to cry out)..
that last one.. really burns me.. and is why i say tell the cops about the person..
Josephine MorningStar & Heather, Pyr MASD Native American in Massachusetts