I have known this woman for around 18 months and have seen her on a handful of occasions as she lives at least 160 miles from me. She had concealed her true colours at first but now I am finding that those colours are not pretty at all as they start emerging. We had a heated discussion the other day after she told me that she had sold two of her pups to a pet shop and then went to a market and was walking around with another two in order to sell them. Prior to that she had sold one other pup in this manner to the first bidder. I said that I didn't think it was right that she should go about selling the pups in that manner and she started shouting and said that I was starting to "piss" her off and that she has no time for these "do-gooders." She said that she is "god" in her home and that animals are disposable and then went on to say that if she chooses to "kill" her dogs then she will do so...she has also mentioned wanting to keep livestock and then kill it herself in order to eat its meat, she has already kept sheep and then had them slaughtered whilst she watched and now she is talking about doing it herself; I am very disturbed by all this. This is a woman who had a couple of maremma dogs that she got tired of and took to a shelter to have put down, obviously the novelty had worn off....she also tends to peruse the paper to see who is giving pups away for free and then tries to sell herself for a quick dollar, that is not right as people are under the impression that she is going to be providing a loving home. I am disgusted and want to do something about this, this madwoman should not be allowed to own pets at all.
Unfortunately there is little you can do about this woman. I feel sorry for the poor animals that she "takes" in. Just keep an eye on her ~~(be careful though,,,,they say that most serial killers start off small with animals and such then move to ppl)~~if you see her doing some weird s**t, then call the police and let them know what's going on. Doubt they can do anything though, owning and slaughtering your own livestock for food is not a crime as far as I know. If you feel threatened, call the police.
She needs help something fierce...
Stay safe, and watch your back, since you have already made her angry, you never know what she may do if she is considering killing animals, you know!!
Ruby- her intentions for these puppies seem rather cruel and very much disgusting. I don't think ones like this should be allowed to purchase, breed, or even go down to the shelter and rescue an animal.
About the livestock part of it. I don't think that is wrong at all that she raises them and then has then slaughtered for herself to eat. That is usally what these animals are for. Not for pets or companion animals. Cows, sheep, goats, chickens, ducks, etc. are used mostly for human consumption. But her doing it herself is rather disturbing. That should not be allowed.
Maybe this person is not worth sharing a conversation with if she does not listen to you though and says that you piss her off.
Scenicsibes, why do you think people should not be allowed to butcher their own livestock? Why is it disturbing? Do you eat meat? As a person who has been ripped off numerous times by crooked farm butchers, your statement that I should not be "allowed" to slaughter my own animals is ridiculous.
yes i eat meat, yes we have cattle that are butchered on our own farm. I just don't think that SOME PEOPLE (as in the lady she was talking about) should be allowed to butcher their own livestock. By butcher their own I mean them going out and doing it themselves, from putting the animal down, to getting the packages in the freezer. We usually have someone come out and do it for us.
From the way ruby was talking about this woman, she just sounds as if she may not do it the most "humane" way. That is what I meant.
This person sounds mentally unstable. I see nothing wrong with butchering your own livestock (in as fast and painless a way as possible and only for food) but there is a whole lot wrong with it being pushed down the throats (excuse the pun, not intended) of your coworkers who obviously do not agree. There is also a lot wrong with keeping a pet as a novelty and tossing it aside when you get tired of it. Anyone who seriously and conscientiously raises their own livestock knows the value of life and humane treatment of animals. Everyone I know who does this has a strong attachment to their pets as well. This is not to say everyone who does this is the same as the people I know because obviously your coworker doesn't feel that way. For her to brag about these topics in such a way means she has no idea what she is doing and should never own animals-she simply wants to control them and prove to everyone else that she can do so even unto death. She does not care if she hurts them and it is obvious she either believes they don't have feelings or their feelings don't matter. She does not care if she hurts your feelings and intimidates you either. Have you tried reporting it to your employer as threatening/intimidating behavior? That might be one avenue that could have an actual concrete result.
This person is sick in my opionion. As far as the way she treats her dogs, too bad tar and feathering is outlawed. Slaughtering her own animals sounds like something she would enjoy not for the pupose intended. I would find a new friend, she needs help.
Um... Raising the animal and doing everything from "putting it down" to putting it in the freezer is what farmers do. It seems odd to me that there is something strange about that.
I mean, I realize some people don't like it. From a philosophical standpoint you could discuss whether or not it was morally "right". I couldn't do it in a million years. But I don't see how "having someone come do it for you" makes it any better. I mean, they are going to use the same "methods."
It's bad if my father butchers his own livestock, but if he calls his neighbor to do it, it's OK?
I agree that this lady sounds like a beast. Some people are horribly backward, and would go to any extent to prove a point. I am sure she was just trying to show you "progressive thinking freak" just how far she would go with her words. (No, I am not calling you that!!! Myself, maybe!!)
***Edited By: kdubbs27 on 6/19/2006 9:26:03 PM*** Reason: add
Your best bet is to just stay clear of the lady and leave her alone. I don't approve of the way she was "peddling" her puppies, but at this time there is no law against it. I just hope that people realize she is probably not a responsible breeder, and won't buy from her. Or, maybe if they did buy her puppy, it would have a much better home. As for her raising livestock for slaughter, thats what livestock is for and its her business if she gets someone to do the slaughtering, or if she does it herself. Nothing illegal about that. She possibly said those mean things about "its my dog and if I want to kill it I will" because she thought you were bothering her and she was tired of it, and thought saying that would get rid of you. I would quietly walk the other way if I came in contact with her. You never know what some people can be driven to do--and she could have been thinking that same thing about you. Maybe someday she will wake up and realize how wonderful puppies are and that you should not breed them unless everything is tested and right and the pups are found a good home. I know this is probably not what you want to hear-don't take it personally. CeCe
If someone is intent on keeping their own animal for meat then that is up to them although I would not and could not have an animal slaughtered that I see and feed everyday, I become attached and just couldn't bring myself to have someone come to the property to kill it.
In order to slaughter an animal one should know what one is doing in order to cause minimal stress and suffering, it takes someone with experience to carry this through and I don't think that this woman has the experience to make it a quick and painless death for the poor animal concerned; she has mentioned having ducks which she obtained as pets and that she was contemplating killing them to eat them and when I asked her how she would go about doing this she said she would use a pair of scissors to cut their throat! That is cruel and sadistic.
I swear I just got off the phone after another heated discussion which only lasted a few minutes; I mentioned that an animal should be killed humanely and that it should not be made to suffer and she said that she will continue to do so by cutting their heads off yet she claimed in the past that she hadn't yet done this but obviously she was lying. I am so disgusted and I feel helpless but I am determined to stop her having pets as I don't trust her with her dogs.
I am confused... Why are you talking on the phone to this lady who you disagree with so much? Is she a friend who you talk to on the phone regularly and you have just started arguing about this lately? Or did you call each other to argue about it?
I am sorry, but I think the lady is just torturing you for fun. Don't keep the same tone, it just pushes her further. She is TRYING to get you. I mean, right???
***Edited By: kdubbs27 on 6/20/2006 12:39:05 AM*** Reason: add
This woman is sadistic. I would tell her to loose my phone number. Like I said before she sounds like someone that would enjoy seeing something suffer. The dogs she sells or whatever are lucky to be away from her. They couldn't go to a much worse place than living with her wondering when their number is up.