hey Trauma...my brother (who will be 21 in July) is a Marine preparing to be deployed to Iraq as we speak. He went in right after high schooland will be in for another 5 years before he can choose to leave or stay. He's not thrilled with going over there, as he has seen some of his buddies in different regimens come back with devistating wounds or worse, but he knows he has a job to do. My prayers are with you and your family...it's a rough road.
What a difficult situation for you to be in. I understand the part about not agreeing with the war, but supporting our troops. I pray that your son will be ok during his time over there, and that you will have the strength to be the suppor that he needs.
Wanted to add, Yorkie, you are so right......he is making his own decisions now and its not about me or my feelings, unfortunately.
I saw this video and I have this song memorized. I mist up when I hear it, it reminds me so much of my son, my situation and what we are facing...and really puts a face on what IS going on over there.....
The lyrics are so dead on and very deep. I just hate the title, I dont hate anyone.....but I get the message....You know what I mean?
[message on voicemail:] Hi Justin! This is your mother. It is 2:33 on Monday afternoon. I was just calling to see how you were doing. You sounded really uptight last night, it made me a little nervous, and a little, well it made me nervous, but it sounded like you were nervous too. I just want to make sure you are really okay and wanted to see if you were checking in on your medication too. You know I love ya and take care honey. I know your under a lot of pressure. See ya. Bye Bye!
I have to block out thoughts of you so I donít lose my head They crawl in like a cockroach leaving babies in my bed Dropping little reels of tape to remind me that Iím alone Playing movies in my head that make a porno feel like home There's a burning in my pride, a nervous bleeding in my brain An ounce of peace is all I want for you. will you never call again? And will you never say that you love me just to put it in my face? And will you never try to reach me? it is I that wanted space
Hate me today Hate me tomorrow Hate me for all the things I didn't do for you
Hate me in ways Yeah ways hard to swallow Hate me so you can finally see what's good for you
Iím sober now for 3 whole months itís one accomplishment that you helped me with The one thing that always tore us apart is the one thing I wonít touch again In my sick way I want to thank you for holding my head up late at night While I was busy waging wars on myself, you were trying to stop the fight You never doubted my warped opinions on things like suicidal hate You made me compliment myself when it was way too hard to take So Iíll drive so f*ing far away that I never cross your mind And do whatever it takes in your heart to leave me behind
Hate me today Hate me tomorrow Hate me for all the things I didnít do for you
Hate me in ways Yeah ways hard to swallow Hate me so you can finally see whatís good for you
And with a sad heart I say bye to you and wave Kicking shadows on the street for every mistake that I had made And like a baby boy I never was a man Until I saw your blue eyes cry and I held your face in my hand And then I fell down yelling ďMake it go away!Ē Just make a smile come back and shine just like it used to be And then she whispered ďHow can you do this to me?Ē
Hate me today Hate me tomorrow Hate me for all the things I didnít do for you
Hate me in ways Yeah ways hard to swallow Hate me so you can finally see whatís good for you For you For you For you
I thank God for men like your son, who have honor and courage. I pray for moms like you who love your sons and don't want to give them up. My son is in the Navy on a sub and I still worry worry worry.... Freedom isn't free and I will add your son and family to my prayers.Thank you for having your own courage to give him the emotional freedom to do what his heart calls
***Edited By: schoolbus gal on 6/22/2006 1:21:29 PM*** Reason: spell
The woe is me, feel bad for me, feel bad for our troops, feel bad for whatevertheheckelse attitude is disgusting. In videos like TM linked, do people not even notice the cheering and thankful people running behind our soldiers?!? Do they overlook the good stuff, skip to the end where it shows flag draped coffins? Do they not get the TRUTH on this war, and on what it's done for the Iraqi people? Do they watch too much CNN? I don't know, but it baffles me to no end the ignorance of our American people. It's NOT blissful to be ignorant, it's actually quite the opposite.
To honestly think that our hunt for those responsible for murdering Americans on our own soil didn't take us to Iraq is just absurd. I've been in the military since BEFORE sept 11, and I can guarantee you, we need to be exactly where we are.
I know, I know 'Bush is an oil man, that's all this is about' will come out of at least three of your mouths, but let me explain something.. if you were to know all you that WE know (the Intelligence operators) about the hows and whys of it all..if the American people, your every day joe, needed to know the hows and whys of it all, you would. But you don't. And in telling every day people what is REALLY going on, you'd totally and completely throw this country and it's intelligence gathering abilities back a hundred years. Why don't people just trust our leaders, all of our leaders, to do the friggin job we ELECTED them to do!!@#
I will not be coming back here for awhile, because even as I'm typing this, I KNOW it's inappropriate and is derailing a thread that's meant more for sympathy than argument.
But that's why I come to dog forums, not military or political forums, so I dont have to get SO angry over the dang internet. I feel so strongly about this, I can't begin to express it. So I dont even have a choice, I had to post my feelings, but I wont be coming back and fighting with you all about it anymore, so no worries.
I just get sad and so very, very frustrated every time I see this crap.
I'm so sorry he may be going there. I know the thought is horrible. I myself do not have children, but I have a brother who just turned 20 and I can imagine what you must be going through as a mother, because me and my mom have had this conversation before. We were hypothetically talking about a draft, when she was younger, her brother was sent to Vietnam in the draft and he came back fine. If your son wants to fight for the country, then well done to him. And I do support the troops, but am against the war. I just don't think it's our place. I really wish you luck, and let us know how everything goes keeping us up to date! We're always here if you need to vent, or just want to talk. =]
as a mother, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, daughter, son, or even friend, we worry about any of our loved ones that are so far from home and in an unsettled country. its natural. but our time here on earth is predestined. people die everyday. accidently or from natural causes. no one knows when our time is up here. if we spent our time worrying about death, we would have miserable lives. enjoy the time we have here and love the people around us. be the best person that that you can be and when we leave this world , people will only have fond memories of us. i am against war. i think the money spent on fighting against other countries could be better spent here, helping the homeless, the sick , finding cures for cancer, aids, diabetes, etc, providing better facilities and care for animals, making our environment a better place for our children to grow up in. just all around good causes that benefit our own country. but wars happen. they have been going on since the beginning of time and will continue to happen until the end. anyone joining the military understand full well that , especially during wartime, there is a possiblity they will be deployed to a warzone. both of my brothers are retired military. one army, one airforce. my oldest brothers only son will be going to iraq soon. he is my favorite nephew. all i can do is pray for him and know that he is in gods hands. i know that you love your son traummamamma, and will worry about him. but the best that you could do for him is be supportive. it is a choice that he made. and one that he is proud of. be there for him when he needs you. love him and pray for him everday. i will keep your family in my prayers also.
"There is this thing called irony - and another thing called juxtaposition. The placement of that song with this video is a juxtapostion meant to illicit feelings of irony - to provoke emotion - and it worked well. That so many people are p*** over this video proves just how immature and undereducated Americans have become over the years."
And being that it's over five years later, while watching the horrendous images, the song is used to invoke the watcher with a sense of unity that his/her countrymen have now, in the aftermath, IMO.
And it is sick, of course. That's the point. And it happened here, on our soil, those are our people. Let us not forget.
(I said I wouldnt argue, and I'm not just trying to clarify the vid I linked)
TM...I am so sorry that your stressing over your son..as a Mom...i stress over every issue..and I am thankful I dont have to worry about war...for now..with my girls...mine are 15 and 10 1/2...
But i will say..I married my second husband a few years ago..and he was a career military man..20 year disabled veteran who had retired the service. I am very proud of him...I swell with pride at his courage and commitmernt to all of us as Americans..But..to the one who said her brother came back from Niam just fine..I say no way can any one go through what soldiers do and be the same ever again...I have a man in my life who for self preservation sake turned off his emotions..the stories he tells make me shutter. I could never imagine living the night mare...and he and i talk about this generation combat soilders and we agree dessert storm was only 6 months..this deal has gone on many times that amount..and the troops are sent back for several tours with no break..a soilders life is hard enough..sure..its structured..and many think its easy...but i see a different side..how long would you tolerate being harrassed, humiated trained.the disapline...and in war...the stress...the terror..the sleep depervation, chemical testing...fumes traning..My husband suffers daily from his experence..his nasal passage is completly distroyed from all the gass training..his eyes are sensative too...red rimed and sore. he has daily head aches, tremors, IBS, panic and anxiety plus more.he has Post tramatic stress disorder and I feel bad for him..but many times I am so pissed that he is the way he is..and thus not the kind of person I would like him to be..all for his career in the service...so...I see both sides...I am proud he did what he has for our country...but..i am frustrated living and loving a man flawed by war and combat...you get desensatised over time and if he has been affected and he was only there a short time..whats going to happen to this group of young people...you cant fight, kill eat and sleep all at the same time and not have it affect you...My husband plays out combat amost nightly..he dreams and thrashs, runs and talks in his sleep...he was infranrty..bradly fighing vehicle...and in his dreams if i talk to him he responds..and i ask who i am..and I am his gunner..He even calls me by name...and Dessert Sorm was what..16 to 17 years ago...what are these poor kids going to live with in there future..what kind of emotional devoid partners will they be to their spouses..I love my country, I love my husband...i hate war...but...instead of debating the right and wrong of the issues..I try to think of the individual..and all i can say is have your opinions..but Holy cow..this war will affect us all for ever more...im saddened...but..with out our military...what kind of place would we have...we owe our freedom to these people...
TM...im sorry about your son...but i am proud of his commitment..and I sure do wish and pray he will be fine..and he will not be paralised by PTSD in the future...
Wow... that's a big one. I would be worried also. I can only imagine how worried you must feel... but I'm sure that some of that worry is mixed in with a lot of pride for your son. Your son is a very brave young man... all the best to him & yourself & your family.
I'm so sorry you're having to deal with this. I know how hard it can be, especially since it's not a decision you can really make for him. If it were up to me, my (only) brother-in-law wouldn't be in Iraq right now, he'd be safe at home. He went into the military as a "last chance" sort of option, and it kills me every time I hear about another Hummer getting attacked - he's a driver. It's scary. I'm terrified for him every single day.
My husband and I met just as Sean was going into the military, and in the beginning it was hard for me to distinguish between the soldiers and the war. I'm very against the war. I've really learned that the soldiers are only doing their jobs, and most of them would rather be anywhere than fighting a "big bad" in the desert thousands of miles from home. They aren't the people to be angry with, like you said. It's the people risking the lives of our loved ones with war that should be blamed. I'm pro-soldier, not pro-war.
No one should have to go through what you're going through.