It is not about whether a purebred dog is better, or a hybrid like cockapoo, goldendoodle, etc, or a mixed breed is better. What matters is that we love our dogs as a member of our family. My main point is that people on this site are so critical of what everyone else is doing, what kind of dog they have, where they got it, how much they spent, etc. Why don't people just use this site to help each other with problems, brag about their babies, etc? I chose my cockapoo for my own reasons, which are important to me. They DO NOT have to do with being DESIGNER. I am not a snob. They have to do with things like Cockapoos are well known for being sweet, good natured dogs, and are said to be generally excellent with kids. They are usually hypoallergenic and I have allergies. They are sturdier than delicate poodles, and are better off when playing with kids, etc. This decision was made for the good of our family and the puppy we bring into it, not for some snobby status symbol! And the decision to get one from a breeder, rather than a shelter, had to do with my children as well. Knowing cockapoos have the reputation as being great with kids, I wanted to go to a breeder where I also know the Sire and Dam of my litter are also gentle, loving dogs. I also wanted a puppy, that I knew had a good Mom to help her get started(often important for temperament) and a breeder who handles them everyday, and has them around children from the start. Then, at 8 weeks, I can begin socializing the puppy to be used to children, and everything else about our lifestyle, so that the dog will fit into our family well. For me, this is why I choose a breeder over a shelter. I certainly feel terrible about the dogs in shelters, and someday may adopt a dog from one, but at this point, this is what is best for our family. Now, there are millions of stories about shelter dogs who are wonderful with children, but I am just trying to stack the odds in my family's favor and try to get a dog that is going to be great with our kids! And as far as reducing the number of animals at shelters, I will do my part by spaying our cockapoo, as I have done with every dog I've ever owned!
"My main point is that people on this site are so critical of what everyone else is doing, what kind of dog they have, where they got it, how much they spent, etc. Why don't people just use this site to help each other with problems, brag about their babies, etc?" I think many people on this site DO use this board for the above stated reasons. But many of us also like to use this type of forum to help educate people. Why am I critical of where they got there dogs from? Because I am very much against puppymills and backyard breeders, I volunteer with a rescue group and I do all I can to educate the public on the abuse and neglect that dogs suffer at the hands of many bad breeders. If that means I have to ruffle a few feathers, so be it. I care more about the welfare of dogs than I do about hurting someone's feelings. And I don't apologize for that.I know there are many other people here like me. I also think anyone should use this site however they want to as long as it is well within the rules, and I don't think anyone needs to tell people what they should or shouldn't talk about.
"and I just have a lot of questions concerning posters--not you in particular--who contradict themselves. " Well for the record, only under rare exceptions would I 'order' a puppy online (and that exception would be if I happened to find an extremely reputable breeder for a breed that I couldn't find locally, although that is a non-issue with me) but that's just how *I* feel. That person just ticked me off so I got snarky. Not that it has anything to do with this discussion.
Bravo, cockapoomommy!! I have been wanting to say the same things for months!! I don't think some of the posters realize how narrow-minded and harsh they sound in their "defense" of adopting from shelters. I have already spoken of my dead ends I have encountered at nearly every shelter in my state. I do help the shelters by donating food and by visiting the local one quite frequently to help socialize the cats. The one dog I did adopt from a shelter was stated as being heartworm free, but he did indeed have a heartworm condition. I had to spend over $500 for his treatment, and his care during the treatment time was especially difficult. His is much older than the shelter's vet thought, and his teeth have had to be cleaned a couple of times. That is another procedure which ran over $100. He had to have anesthesia for the teeth cleaning! He is very "set in his ways" and can't be taught "new tricks"--as the saying goes. I love him, and my daddy drives 30 miles 4 times a week just visit him, but I will never go to a shelter again to buy an adult dog--yes, you pay for these dogs at a shelter or at a rescue--I have never found one to be free. I have had so much more success with the pets we have bought from other people.
Actually the only cockapoo i've ever been in contact with was absolutely the most annoying dog ever. I wouldnt' have wished this dog on an enemy, seirously. If most of you would read over our posts, you would realize that the problem we have with people who intentionally breed mixed breed dogs is that they make false claims about the animals health, pedigree, and temperament. In addition, the biggest issue I have is that very few 'designer mutt' breeders (like I've only heard of 3 ever) do any sort of health testing on their dogs. The breeding dogs aren't OFAed, CERFed, Thyroid tested, vWD tested or anything else. The breeders just go ahead and breed the dogs and then claim 'they'r e healthier because theyr'e not the same breed' which is an outright lie. If the breeders bred their dogs responsibly, requiring spay/neuter of the puppies, sold the dogs with a 1 or 2 year health guarantee and on contractual basis, and promised to take the dogs they sold back at any time int heir dog's life regardless of health conditions, then I'd have more respect for them. Most of the time, some of these designer mixed breed dogs, like goldendoodles and whatnot, actually cost more than the purebred dogs they came from!
"yes, you pay for these dogs at a shelter or at a rescue--I have never found one to be free. " It's called an 'adoption fee' it's how we pay to save these dogs from certain death, and pay for their medical treatments. I understand that perhaps you have had some back luck, but making disparaging remarks regarding petfinder and adopting adult dogs in shelters is a bit unfair. You don't like us talk about unethical breeding, yet it sounds like you would discourage people from adopting from a shelter. From experience, we have had some adult dogs with major issues, but we have also had some wonderful adult dogs that went on to be healthy loving dogs that were easily trained. Yes, adopting from shelters can be chancey, but I like to recommend rescue groups where the dogs live in actual homes and are being trained and cared for..these foster parents can give you an idea of a dog's personality so you know whether or not the dog is a good match for your home.
If the breeders bred their dogs responsibly, requiring spay/neuter of the puppies, sold the dogs with a 1 or 2 year health guarantee and on contractual basis, and promised to take the dogs they sold back at any time int heir dog's life regardless of health conditions, then I'd have more respect for them. This is exactly what the breeder of my mixed puppy does. BUT, before I let these facts known, I had posted about getting a mix from a breeder, and had some nasty replies given. THEN, once I mentioned the above, the nasty replies ended. I understand what Cockapoomommy is talkiing about. Many jump to conclusions about someone who gets a mixed breed, jumps all over their case and their breeder....before they even know the whole story. I too, regulary donate food and time to the local shelter, and have rescued animals.......but when I decided to buy a mix breed from a breeder who follows the above criteria, I was criticized also. I pretty much came to the conclusion that anyone who reads these forums on a regular basis will figure out not to post about getting a mixed breed, because they're in for a lashing.
I read the article in the link. I don't think people here care about the registration part as much as having the right animal for their needs. Not one of my purebred dogs' papers were sent in to the AKC simply because I was having them spade/neutered, so what was the use? I do find it silly to think people can get suckered by an ad simply because the ad mentions the pups having "papers".
"Perhaps you should do yourself a favor and really do alot of research on dogs, in general...their history....all the breeds that were mixed together to get one name for a dog who was then given a 'purebred name/status'." You may be new or maybe you haven't taken the time to get to know us, but almost all of the regular posters on here are very, VERY well taught in the area of dogs. And I am so sick of repeating this, but the difference between the mix and the purebred mix is that purebreds were created over hundreds of years and have been in existence long enough that the breeds are actually being perfected. Mixes, mutts, etc. are two dogs (NOT of the same breed as is the purebred) put together and the results vary widely from dog to dog, breeder to breeder.
I think from now on instead of saying "no reputable breeder will breed mixes" just say "it's 50 times harder to find a reputable mixed breed breeder then a reputable purebred breeder." As for shelters and the type of dogs they have it varies place to place. My shelter that I volenteer at it is not hard to find a simple small dog, but the amount of medium to large dogs easily out numbers them. I never would tell a person with allergies looking for a poo mixed to go to a shelter, because allergy friendly breeds are usually *not all* are non shedding they are more easily adopted out. You just don't know what will come in to a shelter, but you should at least visit one or two before deciding to go to a breeder.
My son has a coc a poo and it is one of the smartest dogs I have ever seen. It has never had a health problem. They have 3 children and it is perfect around them. The last dog they had was a AKC registered Lhasa Apso. It was nippy with the children. It was very hard to train and not near as healthy as this one. Their coc a poo was bred that way with a cocker mother and a miniature poodle sire. The hybrids are usually much healthier in dogs, cattle, tomatoes, corn, many flowers. I understand lots of people insist on hybrid dogs and I think they are very smart for doing it. I also think people should be very careful when they choose a pet as it may be part of your family for 12-15 years. I would be very careful about getting a dog for my family that someone else has trained wrong, they may bite someone or it may be impossible to teach an old dog new tricks. It is very sad when you adopt one and then have to get rid of it. It seems lots of people that are on here try very hard to sell the shelter dogs and they get very angry with people if they don't adopt one from a shelter. I'm sure everyone would take a cheap one from a shelter if they could find one they really wanted but you get so many bad ones. Especially from the "no kill" shelters where they have to find homes for the good, bad, and the ugly. Please be nice to people, then you may also treat animals good.
comonscents not for nothing but lhasa's are not known for being good with children, they can be very nippy with adults also, they do have many health problems as a breed whole so you cannot compare apples to oranges. and just because your son lucked out with his cockapoo doesn't mean they are all like that. cockers are known for biting also and can very well pass those traits on to a mix pup. mixed breeds are not healthier because they aremixed. mixes can have just as many health related problems as the purebreds they derived from. that is just a myth probably created so people would adopt animals from shelters, not a reason to start purposely breeding mixes. and if their was 1 good reason to purposefully breed mixes then every mixed breed registration organization out there would not have it stipulated that in order to be registered they MUST be neutered. and i don't think the people on this board get angry because individuals have mixed breeds. it is the anger over the mixed breeders themselves pulling the wool over the gullible publics eyes. when there happen to be thousands of cockapoos in the shelters across the nation why are people going to breeders? are all the cockapoo's out there bad unless they come directly from a breeder? is there some magical pill a breeder gives the pup that makes it soo wonderful until it lands in a shelter then it turns bad?
Well, Lhasas are known for being very stubborn, not easy to train, and not one of the first breeds to be recommended for small children. (Please Lhasa lovers do not bash me, I am just writing what I have read and from people I know who've had Lhasas). So there was nothing "wrong" with that dog, per se. It was a typical Lhasa Apso! I have seen the "poo" mixes and they are absolutely adorable, and usually really nice and smart dogs. I don't think that is what people are arguing about here. I'm not sure, though, why you think there are "so many bad ones" at the shelter. Have you had a shelter dog, and it didn't work out?
The reason people go to breeders, or representative of breeders is they do not want a pup from an accidental breeding. People trying to place a dog from an accidental breeding tell you "will I think the sire was a Yorkie" the pup is black and tan like a Yorkie. When the dog grows up you find out the sire was a German Shepherd or someones guard dog. How would you like to have one like that for your kids to play with in the apartment for the next 10 years! This is the reason people get a so called Designer Mutt, they want to know more about what they will be living with for the next 10-15 years. Cocapoomommy I believe is the typical Designer Mutt adopter, very smart!
luvapit, Couldnt find yours, wish I could as I'm sure it was good. Bet my grandchildren could find it. Cocapoomommy should write for the paper. What an article on the top of page 4. I think that is the way most people feel but can't put it into words like she did.