How do you prove that it was done and done right if youc an't produce any proof? The fee isn't all *that* much. A one time fee of what, $15 for the patellas? $35for hips and elbows together? I'm sorry but I don't see that being cost prohibitive at all, especially not in comparison to the cost to get the tests done.
I don't bother. I just give copies of the applications with the test results to any one who buys a puppy in the puppy pack along with everything else. I am sure other do the same or for pugs there have only been 324 hip evaluations EVER done, 64 elbow evaluations , and 250 patella evaluations, and 12 cardiac evaluations. I know those numbers are not accurate because my pug girl Dolly has been tested for some of those things.
Just saying, not every one registers with OFA, but that doesnt' mean the testing hasn't been done.
I am guessing this is it: Tp174963/02 Waylons CHang of Her-Nan. Date whelped 5/24/01 I don't know how to post the entire pedigree on here. But I can email to you. That is the number at the top. THis is the father's pedigree
Nothing in OFA, on that dog or any relatives. Nothing in CERF too.
Ask specifically what tests she's had done. "All testing" is so vague, honestly. Ask if the dogs have been x-rayed for luxating patellas or had their eyes CERFed, that kind of thing.
Alicat, even if you haven't had yoru dogs OFAed, wouldnt you at least say more than "all testing done"? YOud' say, we've had this dog's hips x-rayed, she's CERF cleared even though we hvaen't submitted the paperwork, here are the results, etc.
Well she did say I can come visit anytime, any questions I can ask, so I will be sure to ask, she has been real helpful and emailing me every day with many questions that I have asked. So far I don't see a problem
Oh yeah, I always specify exactly what testing was done on sire and dam. I also say it wasn't turned in but I give copies in the puppy pack. If there is a doubt she should ask exactly what testing was done and if she can see the results (since they are not posted on OFA) BEFORE giving a deposit.
Just have a good tone about it, because it is kind of saying that you want 'proof' and you are not going by their word.
both my breeders have been more than happy to show the proof of their testing, to them it shows that the buyer has researched and spent time to get to know the breed they want to buy. it's a good sign to a reputable breeder and they should have no problems with a request to produce the official results.
I won't even get into the great price debate. Everyone has a diffrent idea of what a lot of money is. Some of it is more regional then I used to realize.
As for linebreeding, inbreeding, an etc. If you dislike it, I suggest you gather up all your purebreed dogs and kick them out the door in digust.
Everyone PURE breed of animal is a result of inbreeding and linebreeding. We did not get Rottweielers by mixing random dogs, we got them be careful selection and breeding practices and breeding dogs to each other to thin the unwanted out of the gene pool.
All purebreeds are inbred.
Most breeders do not walk around breeding father to daughter just because they can. These things have serious reasons behind them and the breeding makes their judgement. Close cousins, uncles and neices, grandparents to grandpups and etc are all done and part of breeding purebreed dogs.
A purebreed is created when they breed true. To breed true you have to inbreed so you can select away from what you don't want and select for what you do want.
A purebreed is inside of a species. Pugs are geneticly diffrent from Doberman for a reason and that is the selection of trates and the narrowing of the genepool.
The ultimate goal is to weed out uindesierable trates. It is not an easy equation.
They are not people. It is not immoral about inbreed animals. Humans have stigmas against inbreeding for social reasons. The worries about health issues are because we do not weed out our bad genetics but quite happily reproduce them. Therefor when you have close family reproducing you increase the good and the bad. We don't select away from the bad so the gene pool never clears.
OFA has kennel discounts. If anyone is thinking that 35 bucks is to much after they spend 1-200 to xray they just need to hold onto their films.
I think they are like 15 bucks each if you have 5+. You have to be the owner of the dog. So if the cost is prohibitive to you Ali, you have more then 5 dogs so you can collect up all of those films and submit them for nice discounts. It seems a lot of people don't know about that one.
One of my friends suggested that I wait, but considering the ages of my unxrayed dogs it would be 2 years before they all where of age. Not worth my time to wait.
Piper is scheduled in at the end of the month. Sage will be done within weeks of turning two. Its so much easier to be able to put the link up, plus it lets everyone see your family trees for your testing, which is even better.
when we got our pug it cost us $600 but it ended up having so many health problems( it cost us around $1000 a year) we had to give it back but it was really hard considering how friendly he was ... pugs are really iffy . heres a comment off the subject... did you know that because of the pugs shmooshed in face their eyeballs can fall out?...Uck...
***Edited By: adany on 7/2/2006 7:09:20 PM*** Reason: mistake
Actually catlover that is true for at least pekinese (sp), I know because my friend had one that's eye popped out simply due to stress. I HAD to take it to the vet because she was to hysterical to drive. The vet put the eye back in, but it lost all vision. I hate to think about that day.
Eventually the other protruding eye got poked out I belive and she was completely blind for the last 4-5 years of her life.
I also had some one I worked with that had a boston's eye get popped out from playing with a rotty. It is my understanding that they have large eyes and shallow sockets.
Icyhound- Thanks for the info on OFA results regisration. Is that just for hips or will they do that kennel discount for all the testing (heart, thyroid)? It was my understanding that it is a separate fee to register each tests results for each dog.
***Edited By: alicat1 on 7/2/2006 8:29:04 PM*** Reason: ad
Yep happened to one of my brothers, too, after PorkChop's eye fell out at her first home they had it put back in then they abandoned it at my brothers, then it fell out again and they had it removed, when the remaining eye fell out they had her put down. Probably a good thing since they had planned on breeding her to their Peke Gizmo.