Have you been on the petrol? I went out at 2am to let my dogs out and it was raining and that was not my imagination, my dogs were wet after only a few mins out there. You live 300 metres away not 300 millimetres away and what I do with my day is not your concern. You say you can never get a good night's sleep because your maremmas are keeping you awake, I don't ever hear them, not a sound, you must be imagining it and if that is the case then why didn't you hear them bark at 4am whilst something was killing your goat? your neighbour told you that he heard your dogs barking, why didn't you?
You know that I mind my own business and I don't interfere in your life, I have only showed concern about the dogs and that is all, dont make me out to be a troublemaker, I like to keep to myself and that is all; dont blame me for your inability to sleep at night lol.
I dont understand what you are trying to say? could you clarify please? I agree that people should keep their dogs under control and not to let them stray and my dogs do not wander and you also know that, I am not sure if that is what you mean?!
I am not working at the moment but I dont see what that has to do with anything? this is about wanting other people's opinion and what they think about your situation, whether people think that maremmas should have kennels or not, that is all. You have been insisting that maremmas can live under the rain and the cold and I would like to hear what other people think, there is nothing wrong with that, I find this forum very helpful and there are alot of people that have alot of knowledge about dogs here and I just want to know what they think about this, don't bring other things into the equation.
***Edited By: Brookie on 7/3/2006 6:58:21 AM*** Reason: more comments.
you are right catlover this is ridiculous but I already know what he thinks about the dogs, I came here because I value your opinions and I really want to know your point of view on this topic; I have talked about this with him already many times and it is always the same story. I didnt think he was going to find this forum and that is why I started this and I was shocked when I found out that he was already a member here, if I had known Iwould not have said anything.
I don't think anyone has any reason to worry, all I am asking is whether you think it is okay for maremmas to sleep outside without any shelter, or do you think they should have a kennel?
i think that beings you are neighbors, you should be the better of the two brookie and go talk with your neighbors face-to-face. get to know them. unless either of you plan on moving any time soon, getting along would be the better alternative. take some cake over for a peace offering and share a cup of folgers. maybe you could suggest some forms of shelter and even help to build them, in doing that you could end up building a great friendship also.
maemma yes your red heeler has a steel kennel and she has a run and yes she used to be on a chain and now she has a run so that is a definite improvement but I can't type out your entire life story here now can I? I am only quoting what you told me and there is not a shred of a lie in anything that I say, I just believe that even maremmas deserve to have shelter from the rain especially and I cannot agree with you when you say that they can tolerate all kinds of weather. In your situation there is not reason why they can't have kennels instead of relying on a trailer being near by or the horse float. I don't want to argue any more about this as I would like to be friends with you guys but maybe you should stop and think before you make certain comments to me. I have said enough on this subject now and just make sure that the maremmas are kept dry, that's all :)
Dusty, thank you, that is really nice advice and I would really like to build a good friendship with these people, the wife is really nice and so is he in a way but his attitude towards animals stinks and he knows that and I have told him in no uncertain terms, lol. If only he would show animals a bit more consideration that would be just wonderful but I am not holding my breath.
i agree that animals need shelter. i also hate seeing dogs chained up. mine are all indoor pets, even my gsd. hopefully they will realize that your intentions are good and see how unfair they are being to their dogs.
i dont know if you chain your dogs up or not. i just said i dont agree with doing that. maybe you guys just need to shut off your computers and go talk to each other in person. its alot healthier to try to be friends than argue on a pet foum. i would think in this situation, when you both are next door to each other, that hashing it out in private may be a better way to go. i sincerely hope that you can become friends or at least have a friendly neighbor rapor with each other.
maemma, I said that your maremmas dont have any kennels and I forgot to mention that your stud has a kennel but you did tell me that when you have a bitch that is raising puppies and you put her in the run with your stud dog that he is left outside as he can't fit into that kennel, remember saying that? It's best if we leave this discussion alone otherwise we are going to have a nuclear war here as things seem to be spiralling out of control. You made the comment that maremmas do not need a kennel and I am asking people whether they agree or not, that is all okay.
Having Pyrs brings me into contact with other Pyr owners. These are LGDs, who were bred to live with the herds they guard and to live outdoors and roam vast ranges without any human direct and very little interaction.
Having said that, there are people out there who believe Pyrs are to be brought up from puppyhood with the livestock and are to live with them at all times.
They have very little socialization with these dogs, believing that any human socialization would interfere with the dog's bonding with the herd they are to protect. They have the same shelter or lack thereof that the livestock they are guarding has.
Do I agree with this, personally? No. On the other hand, my Pyrs were not trained to be LGDs, they are family pets and view their humans as the "herd" or "flock" they protect.
Knowing my own dogs, I don't believe that human interaction would effect their attitude towards doing the job they are trained to do, but that is simply my own, personal opinion.
As for barking, any guardian dog worth his or her salt is going to bark. That is their alert system. It's not like they can come up, knock on the door and say, "Hey, Joe..there's something out there after the goats"!
Pyrs bark and when one starts, the others chime in. They have no CLUE why the 1st one started, but hey, must be SOMETHING so let's all warn mom and the family!
My 3 are "indoor" dogs. They live in the house with us. They have a 6' fenced run that opens onto the screened back porch. When they are outside, they are afforded shade trees in the run, beds that are up off the ground and access to an enclosed porch.
They let us know when the garbage men are stealing out garbage. They let us know when someone parks in the driveway or in front of the house. When they are outside, they will tell us a plane is going overhead. You have a LGD, you have barking. Period.
In the meantime, I believe the two of you agree to disagree. It would be better to take it off the boards and over the back fence as has been suggested.
you said my maremmas have no kennels or shelter . but they have got a shed or other forms they can seek but alot of the time they prefer to sleep outdoors what you said is not true if you did not want me to find out then you should have not mentioned me as your neighbor you should have put do you think maremmas should have shelter or not when looking after livestock.