Just go to their on-line forum and read some of the idiotic advice these "breeders" give each other. One moron got a golden from a petstore and wants to breed it. The other bad breeders were more than willing to offer advice on finding a stud. No concern about health testing, pedigrees, the fact that the dog came from a puppymill, no concerns about the jillion and one goldens in rescue. APRI "breeders" are irresponsible and, quite frankly, just plain clueless.
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doxielover1: I too register all of my doxies APRI even though they are AKC bought. I do it by choice. Trust me, let it go! You won't get anywhere with some of these idi*ts. They have tunnel vision, you'll never get them to see it any other way.
APRI makes me sick when I read their forums. People asking how they should go about breeding their dogs for money, and in turn being helped and guided and not being taught how to properly do ANYTHING. They, from what I've read, give a lot of off advice on breeding and breeds. I don't have any personal experience with the "registry" as I'll call it, and I dont particularly want to.
When is a registry going to start scanning their breeders? Our breeds are being ruined right within our kennel clubs' backyards and it seems like just a few caring people are noticing.
Ok, there are some really untrue facts here and I get really tired of seeing APRI bashed. I know I'll take a beating here, but at this point, it wouldn't be the first.
First of all, horror stories, would you like me to list the # of horror stories about every registry? It has nothing to do with a registry-PERIOD-you need to look at the breeder. I am so tired of breeders hiding behind a registry and because their dogs are this or that they are better breeders. It is not true.
And, APRI only registers dogs with proven purebred lineage-not off the street-so they cannot be mixed breeds. There is a seperate registry that does that-many-but not APRI-maybe APR-not APRI.
Rumor has it that only puppymills use APRI-well I use them for some of my dogs-and sure am not a puppymill or a bad breeder. Would anyone care to pay for my OFA, CERF and other testing that I do? I know many, many breeders that have left AKC because of the politics and the PAWS legislation. Also, I am extremely far from clueless and to think that I may be an idiot because I use both registries is insane.
Funny, how we pin this on another registry that would breed anything-when if you look in the papers how many irresponsible breeders are selling mixed puppies from AKC registered dogs-that makes no sense Houndz 2000. Irresponsible is irresponsible-no matter what registry they use. Joce-APRI does not register anything that doesn't have a purebred lineage and proven pedigree.
I know of some HUGE Amish breeders that only work with the AKC. So it has nothing to do with the puppymill thing-the AKC inspects there and doesn't pull their breeding rights-obviusly they fell nothing is wrong.
If you haven't noticed, the AKC has started sponsoring large breeder organizations that work with all levels of breeders-small to large commercial breeders. They have even taken this opposition off of their website about this. They are trying to get back the business they have lost to other registries.
So here we are again-it's not the registry-but the breeder-quit hiding behind registries and using that as an excuse. The best thing you can do as a prospective owner is to call referrences, the vet, visit, whatever-but a registry is just a label-they do nothing if there is something wrong, they can be used by anyone who wants to breed-regardless of who you are, your ethics, etc. Talk is cheap and registries will say this and that, but the truth of the matter is-it's the breeder.
***Edited By: myshadow on 7/26/2006 3:21:21 PM*** Reason: may not be a bad breeder-but stink at typing!
Husky-It's just a forum-there's always someone wanting to do something we may not approve of. I know of a forum that may have some good advice, but the way these people treat each other, I would never, ever want to buy a puppy from someone who had personal and ethical values like that.
And I do agree that some breeds are being ruined right before our eyes-even in the show ring. I think the best solution would be for the parent clubs to begin taking up more and some to start their own registries. It's a fine line between preservation and business.
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Being nosey-I called a person advertising scotties in my area-as I was the only one that I knew of. This person had been breeding AKC Quality-notice not Quality AKC (misusing the registry title to mislead people into thinking that the AKC will back the quality of the puppies) Scotties for years.
I asked about colors-nope they only come in black. I said that I thought they came in wheaten and brindle-nope only black-they must have mixed it with something to get that color. Ok-wanted to tell him that the wheaten came before the black-but that's ok.
Anyway, asked about vWD-he had the vet give them health checks before breeding-basically like they were getting a complete health certificate-he was pretty proud of that. Asked if they took DNA or blood samples-nope, but they did take a fecal and it was clear.
What happens if something genetic were to crop up. He could'nt guarantee it and no breeder would-WHAT! Then proceeded to tell me that it's just the luck of the draw.
Now, I do register my scotties both AKC and APRI. Would you buy from a person like the above or buy an APRI one who did the testing, OFA'd for CMO, CERF'd, etc? Would you really think you were getting a better dog because of the registry?
***Edited By: myshadow on 7/26/2006 3:32:01 PM*** Reason: spelling
My shadow-this is why its a load of crap! No way aroudn it
"· I recently bought a puppy, and, until I received the papers, I didn't realize it was sold to me with a "limited" registration. I am going to send the papers to the AKC, but was wondering if, once I receive the papers, could I then register the pup with A
APRI will dual register any AKC dog if the breeder/owner is in good standing with AKC.
We do not restrict breeding simply because of the limited registration (see comments to previous question). However, we expect pet owners and breeders to refrain from breeding any dog with limited registration if it is limited because of genetic or health problems.
All potential pet owners and breeders should seriously question the reason behind any limited registration"
And this is funny since you see them at pet shops" If "pet" were truly a derogatory term, how many people would ever enter a "pet shop?"
Ok Joce-I have to admit-I forgot about that. And I do totally agree with you there.
But, let me ask you this. (Please keep in mind that I do like both the AKC and APRI) AKC has been well known to not support commercial breeders-they have a great public relations department. Their recent support of comemrcial breeding was not publically announced, besides within the breeders community. I guess I don't approve of them suddenly changing their ethics because business is going downhill to other registries. THe APRI has always been up front of their support of commercial breeding. I don't like the fancy knowing one thing and the public another-I don't think that is good business or ethics.
http://www.akc.org/public_education/responsible_dog_owner.cfm #11 and #12 have been changed within the last year. The one where it talks about breeders used to say to avoid pet shop puppies. It has now been changed to reflect the true AKC. I'm not knocking them or commercial breeders, but am saying that they promote the politically correct thing and do another.
Also there is an organization-I'll post it and if it needs to be removed, well-I apologize-called the ADOA-American Dog Owners Association. They are not affiliated with any certain registry or promote an breeders, but offer information on purchasing a puppy from a responsible breeder. You can view their website at ... http://www.adoa.org/ If you find them helpful-join! They need all the support they can get since they are non profit.
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