We've got a fawn female boxer who is absolutely a gorgeous dog. Then we have a white male boxer who is awesome looking as well. They ended up having 4 white and 2 fawn. The only reason I don't want to advertise online is because of the shipping. I don't want to go through the hassle of that. Does anyone have any thoughts on the shipping? Is it as complicated as it sounds?
Oh shooooooooot...... my pet peeve. You know that you are not supposed to breed white boxers right? That it goes against the American Boxer Club's code of Ethics. 4 white puppies. Nice. I had 5 white puppies TOTAL in 10 years of raising boxers.
Here is a link on white boxers off of the ABC website.
I don't want to offend you because I am sure you love your dogs and I am sure your dogs are great pets, but THERE IS A STRONG GENETIC LINK TO THE WHITE COLOR AND DEAFNESS and it is not responsible to breed them.
I don't really think that it's just in white boxers that they can go deaf. Our white boxer is perfectly fine and hasn't had any problems except a broken toe compared to our fawn boxer. My friends have fawn and brindle boxers as well and they've had more than enough problems with them. So as for white boxers being prone to more health problems I don't believe any of it. Every dog has the same chance of having something wrong with them once conceived. One of our fawn puppies from our last litter was 2 days old when she died. She not only had heart problems but she also had a cleft pallate. I will always breed my white boxer for as long as he lives because I don't believe any of it. And as for that article saying that white boxers should be bought cheap because they should be treated cheap is just ridiculous. I've seen white boxers sell for much much higher than fawn or brindle boxers. So I guess what I get from that article is that no matter who you are, if you buy your dog (any breed) for like $200 or less then you need to take it home and treat it like crap since you didn't pay much for it. haha right I don't mean to offend anyone, I've just heard this information for awhile now and I don't believe any of it is true.
***Edited By: akcboxers on 7/25/2006 9:25:07 PM*** Reason: forgot to add something
Well, it is not ethical to breed them. Bottom line is that it goes AGAINST breed standard and you are NOT bettering the breed. I only sell my FEW white puppies that I ever have with spay/neuter agreements. Period. I have Champion sired puppies and people have offered more money to sell them with full registration and I would never even concider it.
My dogs are all cardio-tested 12 months and I have never had an issue with any of my puppies. I guess you are going to do what you are going to do, but I am not going to agree with it. It is nothing personal I would just NEVER EVER condone breeding a white boxer.
To me it is really sad for the breed that you are and will continue to breed your white dog. I have a beautiful flashy fawn male with Champion bloodlines (Dad was pointed and both grandparents were Ch), health clearanced and I RARELY USE HIM....why? Because I go to finished Champions when ever I get the chance. To me that is creating the best possible puppies and that should be what it is all about. JMO.
i dont know about the genetics of the white boxers. there is a lady on my frenchie forum that has a white boxer, avra is the most stunning boxer i have ever seen in my life. totally beautiful ! . i showed the pic of him to my sister , who has three boxers, a fawn and two brindles, and she was also awestruck by how beautiful he is. she did say that they are not breed standard, but if you are selling them as pets, why does it matter if the pups are healthy and sold as pets only ?
A cleft palate is the same as a human getting it. It is just something that happens in the womb. Our Vet said he has seen many dogs of different breeds have this deformity. It is nothing from the genes, just something that does not form before birth. And I don't see why it matters to have White Boxers when all they are for are pets. Everyone that has seen our white male is just amazed at his coloring, personality and obedience. Something that our fawn is not always the best at. They both had the same up bringing and were raised with the same two people and they are both two totally different dogs whom we both love very much.
I urge you to continue reading on the genetic defects of the white boxers. You continue to breed them even though it is not permitted by the Boxer Club of America....why? Because you choose to claim all the experts are wrong and that you know more about it. You obviously have not done the research or choose to act uneducated to give an excuse to continue breeding them. It is wrong...deafness IS connected directly to the white gene, believe it or not. It is unethical to continue to breed out of standard dogs for monetary gain. Please continue reading and talking with other Boxer people before considering continuing using the white male.
If it's so bad to breed white boxers then why does the AKC let you register them? If they were so bad then don't you think that they shouldn't be able to be AKC registered? I'm sure there's some "expert" reason for that as well. You can all say what you want to but I will continue to breed my white boxer because of the beautiful dogs that come from it. Easy way to solve the problem. Don't buy a boxer pup from me. Enough said. Go and buy your championship bloodline boxers from another individual but I only raise them as pets and that's it. Oh by the way. What school did everyone go to to get their Veterinarian Degree? It sounds like you're all so fully trained and educated on boxers that you must have some type of degree. Fill me in.
I know nothing about dog gentics. But I do assume cleft palates in dogs are much the same as humans. Sometimes there is no know clefts in the family. Other times there is a strong family history of this. If your cleft puppy had survived if bred she/he could have passed this trait on.
You know I don't claim to have 'the best' boxers in the world. Mine are very good and as far as I can tell, the best bloodlines of any one else that advertise on here, right now anyway.
Anyway...I didn't start out as you should. I had a HEALTHY, smart, wonderful pet quality bitch. She is still the best boxer that we have ever owned, basically human.
Over the last 10 years though I have continued to breed with better and better dogs, and now all but 2 of my girls are either Champion sired or grandsired. So now I have a healthy line that I can say I created myself, that are also very close to the boxer standard as far as looks.
My point is, it doesn't matter what you start with as long as you are ALWAYS improving....and there is always room to improve, even when breeding with Champions, AS I NEARLY ALWAYS DO.
Breeding your white male is wrong. I guarantee that though you love him, he has no attributes that are so special that it overlooks his DISQUALIFYING COLOR, which does contribute to bi-lateral or unilateral deafness. Furthermore, there are WAY too many Champion or at LEAST Champion bloodline studs out there, so there is NO excuse as to why you are breeding him.
And FYI AKCBOXER, the whole deal with AKC is that they are just a registry of parentage. You only need to have the mother and father both be fully AKC registered and AKC would give full registration to a puppy with 3 eyes, 2 legs and horns growing out if it's head. IT DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULD BE BRED. In fact what ever breeder SOLD you that white boxer with full AKC registration was ALSO unethical. Shame on them. Really.
If you are so pro-white boxer, do you give full breeding rights to your white puppies? If NOT isn't that hypocritical? It is wrong either way.
There are no HEALTH or QUALITY standards in AKC, THAT IS WHAT SHOWS ARE FOR, that is what health testing is for, and that is what PARENT BREED CLUBS ARE FOR. So, by not following the parent breed club you are not really following AKC STANDARDS, you are flying through an unethical loophole.
***Edited By: alicat1 on 7/26/2006 1:56:55 AM*** Reason: ad
I respect your opinion but I'm going to look at it how I want to look at it. And there's many other people who feel the way that I do. Maybe not on this forum but many that I have spoke with. I'm going to do what I want to do and that is to breed my white boxer when I want. I don't see people not breeding dalmations or bulldogs because they all have white in them too. So what's the point. But I guess we have to target only white boxers. Such a shame because they are such beautiful dogs.