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Posted: 10:58:32 PM 7/30/2006
There are plenty of breeders out there (not just boxers) that breed and shouldn't but nothing is ever said about them.
Actualy there is alot said bout any breeder that breeds out of standard dogs, alot on here dont even feel that people should breed unless they are showing in some sort of trial, I am one of them. But if you are not doing all of the health testing at the very least you are not breeding propery, and should not be breeding.
Posted: 11:05:24 PM 7/30/2006
Definitely read back on the thread and I don't see that I attacked first. But hey obviously I'll be never right on here so what's the difference. You guys are all so smart. Hey guess what? I'm still gonna breed. Yeah there's a lot of info out there about all of this. So far I've never seen a white boxer that is deaf and none of ours in our litter were deaf so you can say that I am doing a horrible thing but you just don't know until you actually come and see. So I'm just gonna move on from all of these childish remarks and leave it like it is. Like it or hate it, it's up to you. Cya
Posted: 11:16:55 PM 7/30/2006
Sorry hun, Cleft palates are a genetic problem....There mostly seen in...dogs and humans that are inbred. Here is the scoop. many people who have been breeding longer than you, that have experience know that breeding white boxer causes problems. What about the puppies you have now? what will there offspring kick out? just because your pups do not have probs (that we know of) does not mean all is good. Trust me, i can tellyby your posts you did not bother to research. You do not even know how to ship the dogs. nor did you have homes BEFORE the dogs were born. so instead of being so resitant listen, we know you are not a bad person, your just inexperienced. I am sure with some help and practise one day you will be a fine breeder of boxers.

This is why I love Malinois. If you breed dogs that are suib standard...noone will buy them. The buyers are more on the up and up.
Posted: 6:56:29 AM 7/31/2006
Again I am not picking on you, but you clearly didn't open or read the link to the AMERICAN BOXER CLUB website article on white boxers and deafness.

READ THIS SECTION OF THE ARTICLE:::::::::
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As to deafness, the genetic basis of white in Boxers is the same as in Dalmatians, albeit without the ticking factor to give the spots. In the UK the incidence of deafness in Dalmatians is about 5% bilaterally deaf and 13% unilaterally deaf, total affected 18%. In the States according to Strain the figures are somewhat higher, 8% bilateral and 22% unilateral, total affected 30%. I do not know of any good figures for Boxers but it would be reasonable to believe that the incidence is similar. Only the bilaterally deaf Boxers would be recognised of course; under 10%.

The cause of the deafness associated with the white colour is the absence of pigment cells in the inner ear resulting in a loss of sensory hair cells at about 6 - 8 weeks of age. The shortage/absence of pigment cells is also the cause of the white coat and unpigmented third eyelids (haw). Generally speaking, the more pigment in the coat the lower will be the risk of deafness, but all predominantly white dogs are at risk of being deaf.

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So now, do you understand? You may think you have a hearing puppy that goes off to a family PERFECTLY HEALTHY at 6-8 weeks and then they DO GO DEAF. THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS BORN DEAF. Do you see how it DOES have to do with their lack of pigmentation, so it is NOT the same causes as a random colored puppy that can not hear?
Posted: 8:32:58 AM 7/31/2006
Looks like pwcorgilover isn't as smart as what they think they are.

"They usually don't become deaf they are deaf from birth." That was a recent post from pwcorgilover. But alicat1 said "THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS BORN DEAF."

Hey pwcorgilover, why don't you read up on the stuff before you speak. haha thanks for that one, I needed a good laugh.
Posted: 8:43:34 AM 7/31/2006
What difference does it make? Weather or not they can hear for 6-8 weeks or not? The result of deafness is still the same and the cause of lack of pigmentation (white lack of color) is still the same. You have to see that right?

I will assume that you didn't know...but now that you do....how do you justify breeding your white male? You just keep skirting the issue.
Posted: 8:45:10 AM 7/31/2006
That just goes to show how ignorant and stupid you are. I can admit when I'm wrong and acknowledge when someone knows more than I do. You go Alicat!

Unfortunately for you, your dogs and future puppies you are too hard headed to listen to anyone else but your ignorant self. I strive to improve myself by being open to new ideas and points of view. That is a sign of intelligence. It is really too bad I can't say the same for you.
Posted: 10:11:53 AM 7/31/2006
Man, I go away for a few days and miss all the drama...that sux!! LOL

akcboxers,,,,GROW UP
Posted: 1:39:05 PM 7/31/2006
Haha this is fun. It's my choice and guess what that choice is. Hmmm I'm gonna keep breeding. I've gotten plenty of calls from people looking for white boxers. So I'm going to keep breeding to give them a pet. You guys all act like I don't take them to the vet or give them shots, worming or anything like that. I do all the necessary stuff that a breeder does. The only difference is that I breed a white dog and apparently the rules say not to but it's my own choice. Reputable breeder or not, I'm still gonna breed because I am not breeding to produce show quality dogs. That is not my thing, I'm breeding to produce pets. You can all say that I'm attacking and ignorant and stuff but I knew about white boxers. Do you not think that I did any research before I bought mine. So in other words, just worry about yourselves and I'll worry about myself. Take it as it is.
Posted: 2:13:00 PM 7/31/2006
"Haha this is fun"

Oh my god, what immaturity! I have been recently trying to defend myself on here as a hobby breeder, explaining that just because I don't show my dogs does not mean I am not a good breeder. Idiots like you is what makes my defense so difficult. In my breed tha double dapple is what causes blindness and deafnese. I am totally against it regardless of how much someone would be willing to pay for one. It is unethical to breed unhealthy dogs or with flaws ON PURPOSE.
Posted: 2:51:03 PM 7/31/2006
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Posted: 3:18:50 PM 7/31/2006
akc - so you've received calls from people who are LOOKING for white boxers... so? There are tons of people each day who are purchasing dogs that they know nothing about - with any luck - you talk to a breeder who can educate you.

Let's take this one more step and think about those people who are calling you for a white boxer... how do you think they're going to feel when a year down the road they have to surrender their dog because it has gone deaf and has become aggressive? How do you feel knowing that these people who are buying the puppy's that you're breeding have a high chance of being put in the pound? How will your customers feel when they have to put their dog to sleep because of aggression issues due to being deaf - and then they learn that, OH - wait a second - it's been known for a while that white boxers have a high possibility of being deaf? Do you think they'll come back to you for their next puppy? Will hey recommend you to their friends? Not only is it unethical - it's just plain bad business practice.
Posted: 4:17:55 PM 7/31/2006
Just from aks's last post I have come to a conclusion...haha,,,,,,,their a little child getting their kicks. And all we're doing is feeding her/him (who cares)

Everything that needs to be said has,,what else ummmm,,,their morons? Yep. That hasn't been said yet.
Posted: 4:52:07 PM 7/31/2006
I'm sorry you guys I shouldn't have fueled his fire. I should have kept my mouth shut. It just burns me when people do things that are wrong and the only ones that suffer are the animals.

***Edited By: pwcorgilover on 7/31/2006 5:59:23 PM***
Reason: correct
Posted: 6:09:00 AM 8/1/2006
akc, I recently had someone share some sayings and have to say, this one brought you to mind,
"I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public."

Selling pups that you KNOW may very well have defects because of popular demand is akin to selling cherry bombs to a 5 year old. They want them, they'll feel "special" to have them, but they will not be happy with the results.

What you are saying is that the bottom line is the profit margin. Why worry about the pups and buyers? Not your problem.

One question, do you have a health guarantee with your pups? If so, what does it cover? How long do you cover the pups? Do you offer a refund or replacement if a problem does arise? Do you allow buyers to return pups to you should they no longer be able or desire to keep the pup, no matter how old the dog is?
Posted: 7:48:54 AM 8/1/2006
this is the reason its so darn hard to buy not only a boxer but any other dog..no one cares for the breed standard any more..doesnt mean they are not beautiful..( because all dogs are beautiful) doesnt mean they can not be wonderful pets...because all potentially can be. The standards are in place for a reason..if you dont like the standards...get involved in a different breed...simple..Alicat is right..you should breed to better the breed..not potentially harm it...and the future offspring...the poor things..i see so many "cheap" poorly bred boxers as well as Shepherds, poodles all breeds really...basically if they AIMED at the breed standard then we would all be better off...we could save the integrety of the breeds we love or claim we love.

AKC Boxer...I know that your miffed now..and might actually think this through and see the logic in all that was said..no one is picking on you persay...we are all pet lovers and we all can gain knowedge here and elsewhere that we research...take this as an opportunity to find out whats really the best way to do things..establish a goal..and shoot for it..As Alicat mentioned..you end up with better then you started with...we all have been down that road...one big falicy is that champion dogs are just a pretty face...not alwys true..the main thing is they are BREED STANDARD...so..your doing what is best to maintain breed standard...boxers with improper noses are still great dogs...make good pets and are still pretty..but is it fair to eventually change the whole look of the dog becuase you are breeding dogs not intended to breed...

Well..i hope you take time and re read this whole thread and get some thing out of it..best of luck
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