Why do you want to breed him. Have you have him Health tested for genetic defects and is he purebreed regis. Maybe you should get a few books and read up on breeding before you breed him. I have a male and just got a female. Before I will even consider breeding them I will make sure they are both sound and meet the AKC standards I also plan on doing agility or obedence or showing my dogs. And most important I am going to research...research. But anyway if you really want to know,I would not breed a male before a year.
At least a year old, when they're mature enough, you can also ask your vet, but another question to consider is why do you want to breed him, do you have a female w/ a good, compatible background available, ect......
I want to do it because it runs in my family. All my family members do it. But not with Pomeranians. Everyone keeps saying "why in the world would you wanna do something you dont know anything about" well everyone has to learn. No one was born and said "oh I think I wanna breed Pomeranians and I know everything about it". People have to learn so im trying to learn.
If you wanna learn about it, then learn about. This isn't a learn as you go type thing, nor is it "hereditary". Learn, then consider breeding. And just because your whole family does it, doesn't mean you should. If your whole family jumped off a bridge, would you follow?
Proper bred dog - 800.00 - 2000.00 Feeding caring, veterinary cost, grooming, etc. for 2 years, you should not breed till they are 2 years old at least. - 850.00
Genetic and health testing, before you look for a mate even- 450.00 OFA x-rays CERF 28.00 Thyroid - 80.00 Bercerlosis (bad spell) - 55.00 vWD w/DNA - 170.00 SA - 75.00
Stud fee - 750.00-2500.00
Welping supplies <pen, and equip> 345.00
Puppies and mother food 450.00
Cerserian - emergency - 1200.00 ? <depends on emergency clinic>
Have you looked up to 12 generations back on the parents for genetic health issues so you breed away from them and not increase them.
Still wanna do it? Or will you breed poorly? Newspaper sell the puppies to people you do not know and hope the puppies are well taken care of.
A good breeder tries desperately to keep track of all her puppies their entire lives and takes them back rather then see them go to the pound or a rescue. Can you do that?
Breeding is not a hobby, a thing to do if you are bored. These are living animals that you are responsible for...for their ENTIRE lives.
If you need to smell puppy breath or need to cuddle on. Go to the pound, they have LOTS of unwanted puppies that would love to be hugged for even 5 min. Puppies someone bred without thought to their future. Karri Moondance Standard Poodles
***Edited By: JOcquelle on 8/1/2006 3:15:30 PM*** Reason: add
Lets start off with: Only post a subject once you need to wait and get a reply sometimes it may take a while to get one be patient. then you say everyone in your family does it so you want to. Then ask your family members to educate you on it and then do some hands on training with them and their animals. Again read ..read.. read. Last but not least I think we have a new troll...
This is a list of the most common problems found in the breed. Remember, even the most conscientious breeder may have problems, however, since they are screening for genetic problems, you have a better chance of having a healthy puppy.
Luxating patellas (knees that slip out of place) are the most common problem in the Pomeranian breed. The knees are graded according to the OFA (Orthopedic Foundation for Animals). Normal knees are, of course the most desirable, but Grades One and Two are more common and not unusual in toy breeds. Grades Three and Four may require surgery, sometimes early on in the dog’s life. Be sure to check the knees of any prospective puppy. One with higher grades at a young age will probably be a candidate for surgery.
OFA has forms to fill out on the grade of the patellas and both parents should have their results on file. Remember, only a “normal” result may appear in the database. Request to see a copy of the results from your breeder, when you are visiting your new puppy.
Hypothyroidism (low thyroid) is very common in the Pomeranian breed. Ask to see the results of the thyroid tests of the parents of the puppy you are considering. OFA has a registry for dogs who submit tests for thyroid.
Coat Loss Problems
There is a coat loss problem in Pomeranians called SHLS (Severe Hair Loss Syndrome). It is also known as Black Skin Disease. It occurs mainly in males. They may have profuse puppy coats with no guard hairs, which does not shed. When the puppy coat sheds, the coat does not grow back. Another version of the same condition happens at a later age, with a normal appearing coat that slowly starts to thin, starting at the back of the thighs and buttocks and moving up the back. Ask to see the parents of the dog you are buying.
Collapsing trachea is a problem found in many Poms. If your pom makes a honking noise or sounds like he is coughing up a hairball, the problem may be his trachea. It can be diagnosed with a Xray and usually medication is prescribed to reduce coughing. This can be a life-threatening problem, so do not ignore it.
Heart problems can range from very slight to life threatening. Some are impossible to diagnose until a sudden death occurs. Ask your breeder if heart problems run in the lines he is working with.
Hypoglycemia can occur in young Pomeranians. It is more common in the very small or very active puppies. Be sure that your breeder gives you complete instructions on how to determine if your puppy is starting to develop hypoglycemia. It is a problem that the puppy outgrows as they mature. Adult hypoglycemia is a serious metabolic disorder. Dogs who have this should not be bred.
Some Pomeranians have idiopathic epilepsy. Idiopathic means that we don’t know what causes it. Liver problems, kidney problems, head trauma and other reasons may cause seizures. Idiopathic epilepsy typically occurs between 3-7 years of age and is thought to be inherited. Seizures can be very frightening to someone who has never seen one before and can manifest in many different ways. Look at the epilepsy website to gain a better understanding of the problem.
A Veterinarian who is trained to do CERF testing can check eyes for genetic problems. CERF (Canine Eye Registry Foundation) has a form and a database to check the parents of the puppy you are considering. To date. there have not been many eye problems found, but that may be because not many dogs have been tested. Ask to see the CERF results of the parents of the puppy.
Hip dysplasia does not tend to be a problem in Pomeranians because of their lightweight. Some breeders are X-raying hips for CHD and should be commended for their thorough testing.
*As I shake my head and sigh loudly*.......Beware!!! The members are in attack mode....as usual. " :(
Hon, I would suggest talking with your family about all that is involved in breeding, reasearch the breed you are wanting to breed, find a mentor, save up twice the amount of money than you're told you'll need (for emergencies and so forth), and have your dog tested for possible hereditary/genetic problems.
And like you said...you have to start somewhere...and I'm glad to see it's with asking questions...verses just breeding with out researching or asking questions. You're doing the right thing.
And guys....lay off a bit....and give a little credit...atleast questions are being asked instead of just going out an doing it. Plus, you guys really need to stop attacking members about breeding....educate, don't bash them and be rude. There is nothing wrong with someone wanting to get in to breeding. Several of you do, so why can't others....are you the only ones ordaned by God to be able to breed? No.... So back off and give others some room to ask questions and recieve advise from veterans.
Makes me sick how everytime someone is looking into breeding that so many of you jump all over them. Don't get me wrong...there's nothing wrong with educating and advising them, but to outright jump all over them for even thinking about it is ridiculous and done here way to often.
Those of you that are veterans to breeding should really consider a better approach to talking with "potential" breeders. If you bash them and talk ill to them, that doesn't help or change there minds...if anything it makes them more determined.
Look at it like this....plant a seed and help it grow.....you wouldn't scream and yell at a seed and expect it to grow would you? No...you would water it, look into the kind of sunlight it needs, plant food, etc......Point being...nothing grows or learns in the presence of hostility, anger, yelling,...i.e. negative environment. Yet that's what you guys create in these post by bashing the member and there post.....
Yet, it's enivetable that most of you will either attack my post, continue to bash members asking about breeding or doing breeding already, and/or completely miss what I just said and focus more on my spelling mistakes.
I agree with you....gothusky2, You have to have a really tough skin to post here. There are some great people here, but sometimes you'd never know it by the way they attack new people when they just ask a question. I guess they were born with all the knowledge that the most of us have to ask and read up on. I wonder sometimes how they train their dogs...do they attack their dogs to make them obey???
I understand that is is summer time and we get more trolls here....but still, there is no reason to be nasty all the time.
Well first of all, you need to get his knees, hips, eyes, and thyroids tested by OFA & CERF. He will not be old enough for most of that until he is 2 yrs old. You should have his eyes (CERF) examined every year starting now. When he gets tested, if everything is above normal then you can consider breeding him. Is he to breed standard? Make sure he meets breed standard. Are you going to get a female also? All the same testing needs to be done on the female.
What an intelligent and well thought out post Husky. I think you are totally right. (I didn't see any spelling errors)
I think you're right, these folks are reaching out to find information and I don't see anything wrong with that. I just don't like the potential breeders who argue with the words of experience (ie akcboxer).
There is a lot to be learned from all of us even us newbies!