Here's some signs to let you know if a place *might* be a puppy mill. These are the things I usually associate with puppy mills. Feel free to add any as you see pleasing. 1. Having large amounts of dogs. 2. Breeding multiple breeds of dogs. 3. Breeding a large dog before 2 years, a small dog before 1 year. 4. Selling puppies below the age of 3 or 4 months, depending on breed.(Been informed that this isn't necessarilly true..but still be very careful with this one!) 5. No long term health guarantee. 6. Poor conditions for the animals. 7. Very few questions when buying a puppy. 8. Thinks that one champion is just as good as 5. 9. CKC 10. No strong bloodlines 11. When you ask what medical care they've had, all they can list are the basic boosters and a vet checkup. No genetic testing 12. Breeds the same bitch twice or more within 2 years. 13. Becomes nervous when you ask to meet the bitch and stud. 14. No papers. 15. Becomes nervous when asked to see where they keep the dogs. Again, please feel free to add more.
A puppy mill is a mass dog breeding establishment that produces puppies for profit by selling them wholesale to the pet industry. Many puppy mills are characterized by overcrowding,filth,inadequate shelter, and insufficient food, water, and veterinary care. Most puppy mill owners sell their dogs wholesale to brokers, who in turn, sell them primarily to pet stores. Because profit, not quality dogs, is the ultimate goal of the puppy mill owner, breeding practices are often shoddy, and the breeding dogs are kept under the most inexpensive possible conditions that will keep them alive and producing. In contrast, there are hundreds of responsible and reputable kennels and breeding establishments throughout the country whose owners make a profit, but not at the expense of their dogs. Whether these breeders are full-time professionals making an entire living from a kennel, or hobby breeders with 5 or 10 animals, the responsible breeder is as concerned with improving the quality of the breed, by showing or belonging to a breed club, than he or she is at making money. Customers wishing to buy puppies from these breeders are welcome to inspect the premises and in most cases, to meet the puppies parents. In between the puppy mill operators and the responsible kennel owners are the so-called " backyard breeders" whose newspaper ads dot Sunday papers each week. These are people who own one or two purebred dogs and produce a litter of puppies once a year or so for extra money or " because I want my dog to have the experience of being a mother before I get her spayed or Aunt Tillie would like to have a puppy just like my mine." Like puppy mill puppies these animals are often haphazardly bred with no regard to the consequences and their offspring will most often suffer the same consequences.
Puppymills do not only sale wholesale to the pet industry. They also advertise in the paper and sale to everyday people looking for a puppy. There is no difference in a byb and a hobby breeder in my opinion. None of the above are trying to improve the breed or doing what is needed to be a responsible breeders.
Hi! I am working on a project to help get the regulations that puppy millers have to follow changed, but the USDA is not responding to me! I sent them 8 e-mails and one written letter in a BRIGHT PINK envelope! You'd think they'd notice it! Have you ever been to that website that has the slogan: "Puppy mills breed misery"? I can't remember the address, but it is very good. They have an e-mail address for someone for the USDA that I have been using to contact them. But what I think we need to do is, insted of having just one person send lots of e-mails, different people can send one e-mail! If I type the sample letter that I wrote for you, do you think that the two of you could send a few? I've got to go, I'm in keyboarding, so I will type when I get home.
Don't certain show breeders consider themselves 'hobby breeders'? I thought hobby breeders were those that bred for the love of a breed (and perfecting the standard) and not for profit? I'm just trying to get the terms straight here.
mrama, your right in what you said. The breeders you are referring to are what you and I and a few others would refer to as "hobby breeders". The hobby breeders that I am referring to in the above post, are the breeders that some people on here claim to be "hobby breeders". They say that are breeding for pet quality dogs and because they love dogs. Those "hobby breeders" are actually BYB or even puppy mills depending on the number of dogs they are breeding. They are not breeding for the love of the breed or to even try to improve the standard or to even stay within the standard of the breed. Calling them a "hobby breeder" is an insult to the true meaning of a "hobby breeder".
I think that the deffinitions of "puppy mill," back yard breeder" and "hobby breeder" are pretty loose. I think that a hobby breeder is someone try to achieve standard, but does not show. They still have registered dogs and may use them for their orginal purposes. A back yard breeder is anyone who breeder out of their home who does not have proffesional experience in show or field and is not trying for standard. A puppy mill is similiar to a back yard breeder except they are larger in scale and out for money.
Dear Tomato, This is a good idea, but not all of those are true. Most are though. I do not have any more to add, you have pretty much covered them all. But, to tell you the truth, most breeders have 10-15 dogs. There is nothing wrong with breeding multiple breeds. Most breeders breed 2-4 breeds. You are right that small dogs should not be bred before a year of age. 99% of breeders sell their pups at 8-10 weeks old, no puppy has to be 12-16 weeks old to go home! That is bull. A long term health guarentee isn't needed, plus it ensures that the owner will take the dog to the vet on time. Yes, poor conditions of the animals is a very bad sign. Breeders shouldn't need to ask questions, since you should tell them everything they need to know proir. There is no need for champions in the line, if they are breeding dogs to be pets. CKC is a fine registry, but I do admit AKC is better. There is no need for strong bloodlines when a breeder is breeding dogs to be pets! You are right about the medical care and vaccinations though. And breeding a female two times a year is wrong. There is no real reason to see they stud, the mother is what you want to look at. And, they should have the mother on the website anyway. You are right about the papers though. And, you don't need to ask to see where the dogs are kept if you are having a puppy shipped! I'm not going to add anymore, but I am going to tell you one thing. Most of the stuff you have on hear is bull! Regards, LindyLou
I was wrong about the 3 or 4 month thing, but that's it. I even corrected myself. No breeder I know would ever breed 4 different breeds. By alot I don't mean 15. I mean 100+. However, I don't know too many breeders who have more than 15. Of course, good kennels are an exception. CKC is a joke. The rest of what you wrote is laughable, so I won't bother replying to that. Oh well, I don't want an arguement. I want people to be informed.
I dotn think CKC is a joke. I think it's great for those puppies who arnt as fortunate to live up th AKC standards & prices. I have been throught the website thouroughly and think nothing bad about CKC. Most Breeders, breed not only one dog, even alot of show breeders. Sometimes too many breeds and greed can take them way over their heads. I think there is a large difference between Puppy Mills & a breeder that breeds a few types of dogs.
I agree! But not all dogs are Pure bread, so AKC has strict guidelines. It's really not fair to people who have great dogs from great breeders. Both my dogs are AKC, but I have seen a great deal of CKC and like them alot.
What is the need for the ContinentalKC (read: not CandianKC) other than for people to think that they are getting a quality registered dog? If a person doesn't want to follow the breeding guidelines of the AKC (or aren't crafty enough to fake it) why bother with papers at all? CKC papers are useless. It really makes me so sad that so many people are clueless about the dog breeding industry..it's why it is able to thrive.
By the way Lindy. What if the bitch is in good shape, but the stud has major HD, Allergies, Heart Diseases, Inherited Eye Disease, and lots of other horrible things? Alot of times it won't be possible to see the stud, but if you have the opportunity to, it's always best. Always at least get his AKC registration number and check his bloodline.
The CKC is a JOKE. If you don't think it is, you aren't looking close enough. It allows people to register designer muts like puggles and schnoodles as 'hybrids', and many people think that because these dogs are CKC registered, they're purebred dogs. They don't do anything for the love of the dog. Breeders who are banned from registering dogs with the AKC gladly are able to register their dogs with the CKC because the CKC doesn't ban breeders who've been convicted of animal cruelty, neglect, or abuse the way the AKC does. That's why the CKC is known as the puppy miller's registry. LindyLou, I've largely stayed out of the debates between you and others regarding your breeder, but you are horribly mistaken when you say there's no need for health guarantees for dogs. If your dog had come with a health guarantee that lasted longer than 2 days, maybe youwouldn't be having to shell out money to getyour dog treated for coccidia. In fact, your dog wouldn't have had coccidia in the first place. If your dog dies of some genetic disordr it has inherited from it's mother or father within a year, are you going to blame yourself? Genetics is entirely in the hands of the breeder, that';s why GOOD breeders provide a health guarantee that lasts for two years or more. Finally, Tomato, I disagree with your statement that a good breeder isn't going to breed a dog 2 or more times over a 2 year period. Nearly every reputable breeder breeds their female dogs once a year between the age of 2 and 5 after appropriate health testing is done. That gives the dogs 8 months to get back into condition. Any breeder that breeds 3 or more times in a 2 year period though isn't a good breeder IMHO. You should be interested in both the mothe and the father, as well as the entire pedigree of any dog you buy, especially if you ever plan on breeding. WHy? Because all of a dogs ancestors have helped make yourd og what it is, and if your dog has a genetic problem it can be traced to one of those dogs.