It has been hashed and rehashed, I didn't want it to be a breeder bad or good debate, I just wanted to know who else showed on here besides you alicat1. Since we've had enough of the debates, we even had one on show titled vs working titled which is an interesting one.
I just finsihed one of the most unpopular and hard to finish colors in my breed.
My next effort is to finish a patterned dog, meaning very little of the long side coat becuase it is correct and acceptable and the bitch to amazing to not show her off.
Its not about looking pretty, and guess what you do loose, but its about your belief and confidence in your dog. Its not just about winning its about going out there and standing beside the other dogs in the ring and being evaluated and seeing your dog.
There is supposed to be a sea of similar looking dogs. Its called breed type. When a dog stands out as hugely diffrent, that dosen't always mean that dog is better. We strive for our dogs to look the same. And if someone can not see the diffrences in the individual dogs then they have not built up their eyes for seeing the true dog in all aspects, they just see the basic outline of the creature.
Color is in the eye of the beholder. I personaly do not like red afghan hounds, some people detest blacks, others hate brindles. Some judges will ahve issues with color some will not. Judges are still human, give them that credit.
And one may wish to say that the conformation ring is about standing around and looking pretty but it is far more then that. It is not perfect, it is a tool, but it is not about who is 'prettyist' and if thats what you are seeing, then you are missing hte examination of the actual dog. Pretty dogs are often (but not always) correct. I see people pick based off of likeing that color or that fluffy tail. Thats not how it works, its a hell of a lot deeper then that and frankly I take a lot of gratification in my wins becuase they don't come easily and I'm rather hard headed and willing to buck the common and forge my own path.
However that means a lot of loosing. Until you can support yourself in the ring without anyones help including the judge you should probably avoid it then becuase no one is going to be there for you in the end but yourself.
Loose or win, when my dogs jump back up in the car and we roll out to enjoy the afternoon and smell the wind, I'm a happy camper becuase I feel that I did right by them as well as myself.
I purchased a Bernese Mountain Dog pup from a show breeder once, about 15 years ago. The breeder had handlers put approx. 40 AKC Champion titles on her dogs (not Bernese) The puppy was "vet checked". Funny thing I didn't ask to speak to the vet to find out if anything was "wrong" with the pup. The pup was $600, 15 years ago. The next morning his eyes were filled with green glue. Eyes literally glued shut. A couple hundred dollars later he was diagnosed with bilateral entropian eyes, eye infection, umbilical hernia. A few months later, another $1000 took care of the eyes, which required 2 eye surgries. including neutering. We called him our gold plated pet.
When I called the breeder to complain, she laughed at me, and said, "well you said your first consideration was a good pet". Excuse me, a pet should be a healthy animal. At the least, defects that require surgery should be revealed to the buyer. I'm sure her vet knew. I'm sure she knew. She can take her ethical breeding/show dogs & shove them. Thank God she was old, and is gone.
I have shown dogs UKC/AKC on a small scale for 18 years. I don't think it makes anyone any better than any one else. Showing does not make puppies healthy. Showing does not produce healthy pups. Showing does not make a breeder ethical. Showing is Excellant Advertizeing & makes a Web Page look professional.
I agree not every dog in a breeding program must become a champion for a breeder to be ethical responible and reputable. Especially in breeds where some colors receive much favor in the ring while others get left with almost no recognition. The reason some people think all poms are orange is because thats all you see in the big shows on animal planet. And all you see in comercials too.
I personally have not shown yet but that is because i need to find a reasonable handler and that is ofcourse an oxymoron. Theres no way i could ever show a dog myself. I have bad panic attacks and would be guaranteed to pass out before i even got us into the ring. I'd probably fall and crush my pom too lol. I'm not going to let this stop me from showing my dogs someday, i just have to keep searching for a handler, or a new breeder friend, or eventually con a family member into it lol.
And for the record i have not bred my first litter of poms yet but i will be doing so shortly.
Oh and i also wanted to say you do not NEED a dog show judge to confirm that your dog is of the proper proportions. All you need to do is study your breed standard well enough to see for yourself. A Judge simply confirms what you already saw and says "this dog is a little better then that one". They are essencially a second opinion with the power to give you points for it. The only thing they really may have on you is objectivity. But every breeder should learn early on they need to be objective and be capable of admiting the faults in ones own dogs.