I don't know if I am even in a group. I just like animals period. Never met an ugly dog.... but I sure have gotten bitten (and in some cases scarred) by some mean/unsocialized ones in my 24 years. None of which happened to be a "vicious" breed ;)
Alot of times, I'm sure was my very own fault or an adult for not monitering the situation. I can remember one of them was when I was about 3 or 4 and the dog was being fed and I went to pet it....
And I still love dogs! Must have been something pretty awful to have such a strong hate for every single one of a certain kind of living thing *shrug*
Where I live, we don't hear about many attacks by pitbulls. I lived in an apartment building that had 5 pitbulls. Not one of them was aggressive to my knowlege. These were family pets, not used for fighting or guarding. Although there was a lady who had her pitbull trained in protection which frightened me a bit. If her dog did protect her from an attack, the fact that it was a pitbull would cause problems. People are prejudice like that. And at the dog park there is a 16 year old pitbull, still full of energy. It makes me laugh when pitbulls come to the off leash dog park because this group of older ladies all gather up their poodles/fluffy dogs and leave. Well I have no prejudice towards pitbulls and I don't see a difference between them and anyother dog. A dog is dog, there to protect and love you and for you to protect and love back.
My 2nd week working at the Humane Society a elderly lady called in saying a dog has died in her flower bed and has been there for 3 days. It was closing time and I wanted to go home but I sent one of the workers to pick it up for the older lady. When he got back I looked in the crate to see a big head and greenish gold eyes with no hair look back at me. My heart dropped and almost cried and I knew immideately that the dog was a pit pup. We got him back in the clinic and looked him over. He had obviously been fought and smelled of lighter fluid. He had such a bad infection all over his body he smelled horrible and if you picked him up his skin would stick to whatever it touched. I looked in those big eyes and he reached up and gave me the most gentle kiss ever. I was hooked. The shelter director came in and looked over him and said euthanize him and I said I want to foster him. She looked at me and said he really needs to be put down and I said let me work with him. The vets came to the conclusion that he was 5-6 months old and was extremely big for his age and had been fought. He must have lost and was then set on fire. I had 2 vets say to euthanise him and wouldnt do it. They said he would never heal. I took him home and started treatment on his skin and used this stuff that smelled worse than the dog but the vet said it works and we did hydro therapy. He was on all kinds of antibiotics and meds for months. He turned out to be one of the best dogs I have ever had the pleasure of owning. He grew to be a beautiful 75# red and white pit with a personality to die for. He lived a happy and charmed life once I got him. He never showed fear of people or agression to animals. He suffered so much abuse as a young pup we had to euthansie him at the age of 5. The vet said he was more than likely fed nothing but steroids and muscle builder as a very young pup. The abuse and treatment took a toll on his skelital system and when he was four we found out he had severe hip dysplasia with bone spurs and his vertabraes were all out of wack and shoved closer together than they should have been, the rear of his pelvis bones were jagged as if he was beaten so bad and for a long period of time that they chipped his bones till it looked jagged. His front left paw had two old broken bones and his right shoulder had a old fracture that was causing problems. This dog showed no pain for 3 years and one day I noticed him limping and took him to the vet they did full body X- rays and found all these problems due to neglect and abuse he suffered as a pup. His bones, joints, tendons and ligaments were weak from all the abuse, steriods and bad diet he was fed as a young pup and both tendons in his back knees are torn- they estimated he would go lame in about a year. I had one of the workers at the Humane Society say ,"I guess you should have put him down the day he came in huh". I said no and deprive this dog of a fun and happy life he so desperately wanted. I said he gave me 4.5 great years and he enjoyed every meal, pet, kiss, adventure to the lake and parks and tug of war games to the fullest. His name was Bohdi and he was the perfect pit and had no bad temperment problems what so ever. He was a lover till the end and now he sits on my mantle and lived a great 4.5years he deserved. So it doesnt matter what happens to the dog but the dog its self.
I'm in the group, You Reap What You Sow. And I mean this with all dogs in general. Every dog on Earth is here because somewhere, somehow, Humans were respponsible.
If breeders, handlers, and owners want a mean dog. That's just what they will have. If it comes back and bites them on the butt, or anyone else's, then the finger needs to be pointed to the one responsible.
In the many years I worked at a veterinary hospital I was never bitten or growled at by a Pit Bull Terrier. The dogs I had to worry about were mostly Cocker Spaniels and Chow Chows. We saw our share of pits never even had to muzzle one.
I think the OP just wanted to start something and run away. Oh well.....
One of my moms Beagles was kept in a house almost 24 hrs a day. He (if the owner was home) would be briefly tied outside in the morning and again (if the owner even came home) at night.
The dog really didn't see to many people but the actual owner and the neighbors driving up the road in their car. He was first kept in a crate but finally allowed to roam the house. Again he was by himself at BEST from early morning til very late at night and often even overnight.
He was brought to this house as a puppy and stayed living this way for over 3 yrs. The only time he left the property was to get his rabies shot. Their were no other dogs living with him and the neighbors on each side did not have a dog.
The end result with this Beagle: A happy, content, somewhat older acting dog. He is not very energetic but is healthy. He gets along wonderfully with my moms other Beagle and with both my dogs. He loves people and really loves children.
The only thing he gets nasty about is when someone tries to take his treat.
Now this dog was NOT physically or emotionally abused. Just left home a lot by himself. Go figure! He has a great life now with my mom. She adores him!
Utopia that was a good story, sad but good. He deserved the good life you gave him even if it was short, at least he got to live it how a dog should. He was also a very beautiful dog.
I didn't know kiyote was like that, isn't that like being a troll basically? I haven't been around the forum in a while.
"PitPat2AZ, you brought up some excellent points, especially about chains, neutering and fighting. From what I understand, it's a culture divide that you share with the Barrio that doesn't come so much from economics as it does how people were raised to think of dogs.
Food for thought: I can bash pit bulls left and right, day and night, but do you know what the #1 trait that dogs involved in fatal dog maulings share? It isn't the breed, it's the fact that they're not neutered.
The irony of this is my malamute isn't neutered."
I think you're buying into more myths, not neutering a dog makes them mean? Fighting them makes them mean? Chains make a dog mean? Its not any of those things its because of poor breeding and/or improper raising. At all the shows I go to the males are of course unneutered, yet they don't attack anyone. Many of them live on chains and some live indoors or in kennels, they are not aggressive to anyone. I have met lots of fighting dogs that are sweet and trustworthy dogs, animal aggression and people aggression are 2 different things.
Funny out of all the breeders I've been to who have Pit Bulls besides the obvious fact that they were not spayed/neutered most of them were kept on chains, the only dog that ever tried to attack me and came close to it was a female who had been raised inside her whole life and spoiled. She came shooting out the door like a rocket and flying at me, if I didn't have quick reflexes she would have had. Then there was my friends dog who bit several people and had to be put down at 3yrs old, of course she was poorly bred and just got worse as she grew older in her temperament.
If you actually believe what you are saying then what is the point of bashing a breed? If you think it isn't the breed and has to do with not neutering or keeping them on a chain then why are seeking out one breed to bash?
I wonder why is it that so many unneutered dogs attack? Is it because they are not neutered or is it because that they don't have a good temperament in the first place and stupid owners, so many irresponsible owners don't bother to get their dogs neutered because they are too lazy, its too expensive or they want to breed-same people who don't properly train & socialize dogs and are not as concerned about temperament as pet owners who do get their animals altered.
There is a huge difference between raising a pitbull and just any other dog. I own 4 APBT's. THey require so much attention and much needed socialization. There is such a big difference between them and any other dog. I don't think you can classify them as the same to raise as any other dog.
Well, yes, thats true. But since only "like minded" people are allowed to post there it is only showing one side of the the story.
Belittling? Wow. You are a piece of work. My ex used to do that all the time. He flat out told me he did it cause it made him feel better about himself.
Someone needs a hug!!!
Not a poem, but thought you might enjoy! ;)
On the foolishness of judging others --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The act of judgement is an act of pride. It involves looking to our own store of knowledge, putting together a few facts, figures or fancies, and coming up with some sort of answer or solution to a given problem or situation. All too often it is the wrong solution or answer, and because of pride, we refuse to correct course. Judging others is an act of monumental pride - enormous pride, stupendous pride, galling, astonishing, fantastic pride. This should be understood. When you render judgement on another, you have taken upon yourself an awesome responsibility for making the correct judgement. Because, after all, your judgement is not necessary.
All things, big and small, invite your judgement. The condition of the weather, political matters, the taste of your food, a television program - at every moment of the day, something or other is inviting your judgement of it. And so often, and so willingly, you render it, without being aware of the consequences, without taking care of the responsibilities entailed.
You judge, and then to make matters worse, you believe in your judgement. You've looked at the evidence, you've made a judgement - it must be right! There couldn't possibly be any other conclusion to arrive at but the one your've chosen, could there?
What you don't see, don't understand, is that your judgement leads to suffering - your own suffering. It does not touch the person judged; he or she is free of you and your thoughts and your judgements. You cannot change their behaviour by even a hair's breadth by your judgement.
***Edited By: TraumaMamma on 8/14/2006 3:45:06 PM*** Reason: add
They can make up their own "facts" there and the rules do not allow for anyone to correct them or disagree. I think it is a great place for Kiyote to hang out. Has no business on an all-breeds forum like this one.