I know that there will be alot on both sides of the subject. I'm curious. I'm still learning about breeding, I have been reading and studying breed standards, and breeding. And I'm always open to learn more.
Here is the situation. I am working on breeding working German Shepeherds and Dutch Shepherds. I am breeding for police, working or sport dogs. I don't show in AKC any more, I did at one time and quickly realized that my working GSDs will never place in the ring. I have own both the show and working lines. In my experience is that my show line dogs are ridden with health issues, and have little to no drive to work. I moved over to working lines when I attended a school and got to watch working GSDs in action and saw how much healther they were. I recently have gotten into the Dutch Shepherds aswell. I have fallen for this breed. Again I did a ton of research on the breed, and talked to others with them, and have learned as much as I can about the breed. I acquired a male Dutch Shepherd not to long ago. OUTSTANDING working dog. Has proven his worth as a working dog and people in the work dog world in this area are excited about future pups from him. All of my dogs GSDs or DSDs are health cert, OFA, Eyes, Backs everthing. I try to title my, but there are no titles in the police dog world. But all of my dogs have proven themselves as working dogs. I am getting into schutzhund, french ring sport, agility, in my area it is hard to find others who do this training. But I do my best. My GSDs should be going for there SCH titles soon.
Now that I've given you guys a very long history, here is my question. How much consideration do you put into color when breeding? Talking mostly about working dogs. My Dutch boy's color is a fault, NOT disqualifing, other than that he is a excellent example of a working Dutch Shepherd. What are your opinions about breeding him. In my own opinion, I don't focus on color. I believe a color that is a fault, with careful planning in your breeding program and taking genetics in consideration I believe that you can correct color. Keep in mind that all other health issues and temperments have been cleared before any dog in my program are bred. And if it was a color like white, a huge issue in both GSDs and Dutchies, I would never breed the dog.
I'm just interested in everyones opinion. Thanks, and let make sure that no bashing goes on.
You seem far more dedicated than my initial impression. If you are willing to seek out a good bitch who's strong points include correct markings (among whatever other qualities you are looking for) and you have a responsible breeder guideing you... go for it.
Thanks wandering-spirit. I open to hear what poeple have to say and will listen to it. I'm looking into buying a female in the next year or so. I still want high drives and good nerves, but I want a female with excellent color. Even though I don't make very much money, I'm willing to save what ever it cost to buy a quaility female that will complement my boy. The cost of a dog is not a issue for me, I want the quaility. I have no intension of breeding my dogs for the sake of selling pups or studding my boys out for the money. It's not my thing. I've wanted to be a breed of high quaility GSDs, and now Dutchies, since I was 10 yrs old. And read ever book I could get my hands on since. Most of the other kids thought I was wierd, and so do the people in my age range now, but I never cared, and my goal has not changed. I have not had any litters yet because I want to make sure that I'm doing things right, and not breeding my dogs just to breed. I dropped almost a $1000 dollars on certifications on my Stud GSD a year ago, and have not had any litters with him, I'm waiting until I find the right female. I bred him once to a nice female, but it didn't take, vet thinks it was on the females side, and that is the only breeding I have done in over 10 yrs of wanting to breed GSDs, and Dutchies. Thanks. Again. I enjoyed reading your debate on my other post and learned a lot from your side, and have started to look at things a little differently. Thank you.
You know where you might do well GSD? At SV shows for GSDs, those are put out by your national breed club, if I recall. They have comformation, temperment testing AND a working test, all dogs MUST partake in everything.
I do like a good debate, and usually I just end up agreeing to disagree :-) Guess I'm not a good debater!
When I was first looking for a Rottweiler I went to FOUR different breeds and spent time with each, I went from one extreme to the next, first was just a "pet" breeder, I got out of there real quick, then to a Show breeder, her dogs were nice, but didn't have any herding drive, then I went to a Schutzhund breeder, he chose to do no genetic testing and his dogs were HUGE rotties. Then I found a breeder who's Rotties could do all three and I was in LOVE! She was an AKC Ch, and a Herding dog and a Schutzhund dog, so with her I was able to experience all sorts of dog people and all sorts of ideas.
That's great, I'm very happy for you. It took me a long time to find my GSD boy that I have now. I had to wait on a list for him, and it was worth it. Thanks for all your help, I really enjoy listening to what you and other have to say. Thanks again.
No problem, it's interesting to meet a Dutchie owner, When I went to France to look at my Beauceron I was able to see French Ring Trials (In conjunction with the Beauceron National Speciality) and I saw several work, some of them had even more drive than a Beauceron.