I keep reading from these posts that we can learn so much from our dogs, and I do agree, but we can learn soo much from our children too if we just allow ourselves to. I have been a mom since I was 19 years old and nobody has taught me more than my oldest daughter, and I learn more with with each child that we have. (i have 3 girls) Don't get me wrong, I am in no way trying to undermine the fact that yes we can learn alot from our animals but my 2 legged critters will ALWAYS come before my 4 legged.
Finally! I have been trying all day to log on to respond to this thread, lol. Some of the newer members don't know me, but I used to come on TP a lot and have a hard time logging on here because of AOL, so I only get to post randomly. But I still talk to a lot of the members, so it's good to talk to the people that I don't get to, and HI! to everyone that I still do! :)
My thoughts on this subject is that it's rather silly. Because honestly, its VERY rare that anyone would ever be put in a position where they would HAVE to choose between two beings (and the life of that being depending on it). So to get so heated about something that will probably never happen to any of us is rather trivial. It's also a lot easier to *say* what one would do, when actually being in that situation is a lot different. Much like the movie effect "Aw! Why did he DO that? If that were me..." lol
It also seems that the people that don't have children say, "Absolutely choose pets" and the people that do have children say, "Absolutely choose people". So it's sort of a lost cause because it depends on an individual situation.
My view on it is that it would never come down between 'choosing'. It comes down to need. Which would NEED my help more? Like the burning building scenerio. The reason I would choose a child over a dog in that scenerio isn't because I'm choosing one over the other. But because I feel, in that particular situation, that a dog would have a higher chance of surviving that situation or finding a way out on their own. Whereas a child probably wouldn't. Now, take that situation and erase the children and just have adults and it's a whole different story. Both would be capable probably, so if I were helping, I would help the one that was struggling the most. If the adults were running out, but there was a dog trapped in the corner, I would get the dog. And I really think that's how most people are in general. If they seem like they're 'choosing' it's just because they are thinking about what is in their care at that moment, and putting themselves and that dog or child in that situation and thinking about the need of the being that is in their care.
But really, when it comes down to it, I don't think there is a right answer to this. Because what people put value on is so different. How we feel and think is so different. We can't help our feelings and what we put value in, and they certainly can't be changed that easily.
But sorry for the novel ya'll! Just really wanted to respond to this :)
the best teachers we could have are the ones we feel we are superior too.
when i wrote that i was not only talking about dogs. i was referring to all living creatures ... from the tiniest of insects to the largest of mammals. all of nature actually. there is a lot to be learned from nature itself.
if it came right down to it .... no i would not save another persons life if it meant one of my animals would die. lets just hope no one around me ever has to put me to the test.
I have 4 kids. Two grown. I love my children dearly.
Comparing kids to animals is like apples to oranges, but as we know, kids, esp older ones can be selfish, bull headed and quite cocky.
I prefer my critters under the age of 18.....lol.
That being said, nothing brings me greater joy than to see my kids with my pets. My dogs LOVE my kids. They are the epitomy of the Mans best friend.
My dogs know the kids names. If I tell them to go find "Brandon or Ashley" they go to the correct child.
They love to play dress up, help with homework, or to cuddle up with them when they sleep.
I am so glad I have all of them, two leggers and 4 leggers in my life. They have given me so many wonderful memories. Especially the kids and pets together....I get misty watching how much the dogs LOVE my kids.
My kids all always respectful and people always comment on how well behaved and thoughtful they are. I am truly blessed and I know I raised them well. They share in my sick sense of humor and I always have a blast with them.
Trauma What a beautiful family you have. 4 and 2 legged!
I have many good friends who prefer dogs to kids. I understand this so I don't bore them with my kid stories. I love my dogs and would provide whatever they needed just as I would my kids. I would hope that it would never come to a choice of one over the other. As a matter of fact I've never heard of someone having to make that choice. For me, though, my kids are first. Like I told my husband, kids, animals and then him!
If you don't have children...of course you will pick a dog over a child. A Mother's love for a child is more than any human can give. You have to be a parent to know this kind of love. So, I don't disagree with those of you who don't have children, you wouldn't understand.
And for those who believe that the Bomb Sniffing Dogs are so great...who do you think trained them? It wasn't another dog.
Riley, while you are 100% right in your assertions that not everyone likes or wants kids, everyone WAS (at some point) one themself.
I love my dogs. I worry about their care before my own (I mean I even take care of them before I make my morning coffee!), but if it comes to a choice between the life of a child or the life of a dog.. it will be the child.
Perfect example is Charlie, the rescue we broguht home who continually tried to eat Samantha, to the point of going in to another room to pin her against a wall. NO the child had done nothing to this dog. All she had to do was walk through the door. She reminded him of someone he had a great dislkie and mistrust of. No amount of behavior modification would have insured our grand daughter's safety with him in our home. With broken hearts, he was returned to rescue.
The fact that he should never have been placed with us, since the woman in charge KNEW what our home was like, did not alter the fact that we fell in love with him. However, a month of working with him did not change the situation. Charlie would not be allowed to remain in our home and endanger any child. Period.
It is also important to remember that working dogs are trained by people to do jobs FOR people.
I don't disagree with you pyr, but I don't appreciate the attitude of people that have kids saying I wouldn't understand what that love is. I spent the last few years helping a friend, she's a little older than me, go through several miscarriages. I held her hand and cried with her through each one. When she finally had her beautiful baby boy, I could just feel that love for him. I didn't have to have a child of my own to understand that love a person holds for their child. There is one child in my life that I love more than myself and probably my dogs too. I'd give my life for her. So I don't like someone saying "I wouldn't understand".
And if left to chose between the life of a child and a dog, I'd save both. That's my answer. If I had a baby and one of my dogs attacked it, the dog would go.
I believe I said that I understand your love for your animals. I also said that a Mother's Love for a child is something that only a Mother would know. I never said anything about you loving your animals or that you had to love children.
I also never said we don't need bomb sniffing dogs. I clearly stated that if it were not for us humans, they would not know how to perform their specific trained duties.
I am entitled to my opinion. And it's my right to find the majority of children vile. At no point did I say all. But unless your kids are well behaved in public, than sure. I likely do hate them. Deal with it.
lighten up people. so what if some people dont like, hate, cant stand, HOWEVER you want to word it, kids. its a personal preference. i raised six kids. i love my kids, but they are grown now, and my frenchies and gsd, are my babies now. i raise them like they were my kids. it does not mean that i love my own kids any less, nor does it mean that i expect everyone to love my kids also. but after being on the tail end of the teenage years with my kids, i can honestly say that i much prefer the company of my dogs !
I think mafia's point is that kids in general are very bad, especially in public. I don't remember the last time I went out to eat and actually enjoyed my meal, because some little brat was screaming over a broken crayon or the food wasn't exactly how he liked it. Take the damn kid and discipline him.
I used to work in a restaurant. I saw kids bite their mothers, run across our booths, throw temper tantrums, run around the restaurant screaming their heads off, yelling at me to "BRING ME A SODA", you name it, while the parents sat back and did NOTHING. That is repulsive.
If parents actually disciplined their kids and taught them manners, people like me, and maf, wouldn't find them repulsive. It's their behavior, not the kids themselves.