imsdac - I agree with you ... ya don't kick someone when they're down...
LOR - Hope that you didn't misinterpret what I said to be judgemental... didn't know that you have an invisible fence... fact is - you COULD have had him on a leash and the accident could have STILL taken place! I think about the number of times that my boys are on their leashes getting out of the car and I loop their leashes over my arm to reach back in and get something... same thing could happen with my hubby pulling in or out of the driveway. Don't beat yourself up... just give Riley all the love and support you can.
Well living in the country gbrox, almost no dogs around here are ever on leash, and they're lucky they get a fenced in yard. I keep mine on the invisible fence. He's always out and about the yard unrestrained, that would be ridiculous walking him around on leash all the time in my own yard. I never asked our landlord for money and I probably won't. I'll get most of the bill back from insurance anyway.
The landlord told me he wasnt paying attention. Fiddling with things in the car. I don't blame him, he blames himself and that's enough. But its not my fault, and its not Rileys, so I'm not even going to go there.
***Edited By: thelifeofriley on 8/23/2006 12:19:18 PM*** Reason: .
Oh I see I amgoing to be the the bad guy here. Thats fine if that makes you feel better, and I do not feel the need to preach and am not doing that Forgive me if I came accross that way I am stating my opinion. And again I am not condeming nor bashing anyone. Accidents happen. We are all entitled to our opinions as has been pointed out numerous times on here.
Well geez newpom. What did you think I was going to say? I've been up all night listening to my dog crying in pain, last thing I need is some person to preach to me about being a better human being and accusing me of something I did not do.
Glad Riley is going to be okay. Read this after the fact and had to scroll through fast to find out how he was doing. Was very relieved and happy for you and Riley.
Yes, life is different in the country and dogs always seem to be off lead with no fences and stay around their home (or wander around and come back). My grandma lives in a small town and that is the way it is with dogs down there. No one in her town has probably even heard of electric fences. It is a great way for a dog to live but there are risks too.
Sorry this post had to turn into a blame game. We are all glad he is fine and if there is anything to learn from this I am sure you will. You are a very smart young lady.
You guys must feel really good about yourselves, being that you know everything and all.
I have had the privlege of getting to know Ashely, and I can tell you that where she lives....the fact of you saying that she should have had Riley under control is crazy. Her dogs are well behaved, they have been through obedience trainging and she would NEVER be the type of person to carelessly manage a situation like that.
Second of all, if the landlord had complete control of the situation and his surroundings, this would have never happened.
This was an ACCIDENT. But, the right thing to do when you are responsible (and dog vs. car at the dogs very own home, in a secluded driveway.....is not very favorable for the landlord.) is to take care of that responsibility. He knows there are dogs that live on that property, and you can't tell me he didn't see Ashley and both of her dogs in the driveway as well.
Shame on you for even hinting that this is her fault and saying that hopefully she will learn from it. I can only happen that nothing happens to your own pets, because I can see your own level of compassion. You are lucky if you don't run my pets down in front of their own home, because I can see that I would have to take legal action and sue the pants right off of you. Judge Judy would chew you up and spit you out before the first commercial break.
She came on here because we care about her and her dog. If you don't or you don't have any kind words of encouragement, shut your mouths and move on elsewhere. Don't bring people who are already hurting because of something like this down to your own miserable level. Go see Dr. Phil and talk about it or something.
To the OP....I'm glad to hear Riley is home and doing well, don't even second guess yourself by the harsh judgements of people who've obviously had a bad day and take great pleasure in exposing the fac that they don't know what they are talking about.
That is why I have signs ALL OVER my yard, when you first come in the driveway, when you are leaving the driveway, and in the middle of the yard that say "Caution, ESS at play" "Dogs contained with invisible fence, please drive slow".
So I think I did everything I could for Riley.... landlord told me he wasn't paying attention... of course I'm not going to go screaming at him and say its his fault I hate you, or anything like that.
Oh, *, Pope! Good Lord, an unrestrained dog, whether on someone's property or not (even if you have a ZILLION signs), is an unrestrained dog. If you let your dog run around unrestrained, you should be willing to accept any consequences of that action. Period.
The ONLY reason I piped up on this thread was to defend the landlord. Unrestrained dogs DO dart out at unexpected times, and I guess this was one of them. IMO, he is not financially responsible for Riley dog's injuries, nor should he be made to feel guilty about it, although he probably does.
My dog is unrestrained, too, at times, in the COUNTRY area where I live. If he gets hit by a car, mauled by a wild animal, or a * tree falls on him, it's ultimately my fault, nobody else's. In fact, I have had a dog hit (and killed) by a car. He broke his tie, climbed out of his kennel and jumped the fence. Did I consider that an accident? Yes. Was it my fault? YES!
Even if the landlord wasn't paying strict attention, it's not HIS dog...why leave YOUR dog's fate in HIS hands?
It's all about acceptable risk. If one takes what one considers an acceptable risk, which LOR did, one has to be prepared to suffer the consequences of that risk if the unthinkable happens.
LOR: I am not saying that you should walk your dogs around on leashes around your invisible-fenced yard. I AM saying that, even with invisible fencing, there are risks. If you want to accept the risk of letting your dogs out of your car without first scoping out what's going on within the invisible-fenced boundaries, that's a risk you take.
I'll betcha next time, you take a better look around at what's going on in your driveway/yard before you let the dogs out of your car. You live, you learn. That's all.
***Edited By: pyrmom on 8/23/2006 2:46:49 PM*** Reason: * clean language please
I have to agree with Becky and others who said this is NOT the time nor the place for trying to play the "balme game". This was an accident, all the pieces have to fall in just the right order for one to happen, hence..accident..NOT generally something one can avoid.
IF the landlord had been paying attention as he should have, IF Riley were not trained to be free in his own fenced yard, IF the day had been icky and LOR had decided not to take the dogs for a trip to the lake, IF she had spent 5 minutes more or less at the lake, IF she had stopped to check for running engines when walking the dogs.. it took ALL of the above and more to come together for the accident to happen.
The important thing is that Riley was injured and his "mom" got him immediate care. The imporant thing is that he will recover fully with time. The important thing is that LOR had the life scared out of her.
It really uncool for those who have disagreements with her in the past to use this situation to point a finger and chant in a childlike manner, "nah-nah-nah, so there!'
Neither she nor Riley nor other forum members deserve to be treated to this cruel, petty and childish attitude when something so serious has happened.
Shame on those of you who took this terrible situation to grind your personal axe.
Ashleys dog just got hit by a car, thank god he's okay. It isn't her fault, nor is it her landlord's fault. It was something called an accident, and until your dog gets hit by a car accidentally I don't think you can ever understand. There's nothing Ashley could have done to prevent it. I really can't believe the nerve some of you have, when I read her post, I sat her and cried for her and Riley. I wouldn't think it was her fault at ALL! Riley shouldn't be leashed in the car if he was a good dog, and like ashley said it was an accident, meaning nobody is to blame. Seriously, I think this is the last thing she needs. Go preach on someone else.
If you're referring to me, Pyrmom, I disagree that I've been cruel, petty or childish. I refuse to be shamed. I'm sorry about Riley dog and sorry about the situation. But I'm sticking to my opinion: The landlord is not at fault. The dog was unrestrained and uncontrolled. There's a lesson to be learned by more than one person, it seems.
gbroxon, actually, I wasn't referring to you personally. However, as was mentioned, please understand that the profanity in your post before this last one merites a 24 hour "time out". Same rules for all apply. Others have had their time out for this reason.
You will be unblocked at 2:50 tomorrow afternoon. I would have sent this in a PM, but don't have access to do so. Sorry.
***Edited By: pyrmom on 8/23/2006 2:51:07 PM*** Reason: *
I don't even think that Ashley is looking to place blame on anyone here, but in response to you Broxon, from someone who has worked in insurance, handling claims just like this one...the landlord IS at fault. Driving is a priveledge, not a right, and therefore must be done with the utmost care. A driver MUST be aware of his surroundings at all times, whether it be an obnoxious little rabbit, a dog or a child, even moreso if they are backing up.
THE ONLY time I have ever put blame on a dog and/or his owner (during my insurance career) was when the dog was not restrained, a leash law was in force, the dog was not trained, and was on a busy public road while on a walk with the owners 14 yo son. The dog darted out into the street, was struck and killed, and caused a couple thousand dollars to the vehicle that struck him. In that case, the homeowner's policy kicked in and paid for the damage to the car. This is different, leash laws don't apply to private property, and the landlord was negligent and admits to being distracted.
So, I would suggest that YOU, GBroxon, go ask your insurance company before making an arse of yourself impersonating an expert.