You said it just now yourself shiggs, game means drive. So no other working breed has drive? Did you not watch gunny's video posted just above? That dog has TONS of drive (GAME).
My dogs are working dogs. They have game, as they have some of the strongest drive you will find in their breeds. They will keep going no matter how tired they are, they aim to please. And I never need to test their gameness.
As for throwing game pups, I've never sold a dog as a pet.
The dogs are put on the chains for thier own protection.
And no people like me are not the ones that have caused BSL. Its ignorant people who dont give a dang about the breed. They think that killing them all off will make things better. You ban pits and people are going to fight some other breed of dog. Nothing is solved, nothing changes. Except for an entire breed being destroyed.
Throwing game pups: Fathering gamebred pups. Its has nothing to do with selling them as pets. I dont sell my dogs to just anyone. I know what my dogs are like and it would be irresponsible to put them in the hands of some unsuspecting person. Most of the pups that pass through my yard either wind up with dogmen in the area or they are traded or sold to other dogmen. People who know the dogs and can take care of them properly.
Shiggs, in my breeds, it has everything to do with selling them as pets. If I ever sold one of my puppies to a non-working home, do you have any idea what they'd have to deal with? The puppy would have to come straight backt o me once it got older, they'd never be able to deal with it. It would have way too much drive.
* I have dogs that stay outside. On chains *Would you prefer me to have them in my house loose so they could attack each other *If i wanted a yard od staffs i could have them but they arent even worth the feed in my opinion. *All my dogs have a car axel sank into the ground with the chains attached to that. The chains rotate around the axels easily and there are 2 swivels on the chain. * A true gamebred dog will keep fighting until it is no longer physically possible. *Most of the pups that pass through my yard either wind up with dogmen in the area or they are traded or sold to other dogmen. People who know the dogs and can take care of them properly.
*I work in a junkyard
(that explains alot) of how you view this breed junyard dawg These are all statements copied and pasted that I got from your posts. What would anyone think other than you are a BYB for pits that fight......maybe you should find a different form.
Geez it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out you fight your pits! I was born at night just not last night. People like you sicken me. As Riley said Pits are a wonderful and loyal breed. It is unfortunate you find it necessary to RUIN the breed by selectively breeding those dogs with a FIGHTING instinct as that is what I see as gaming in your context.
I hope in your next life you come back as a dog on a chain. Then maybe we'll see how you like it!
Oh and another thing you can call the collective us judgemental but the fact is that we LOVE animals. It is unfortunate we can not say the same for you.
***Edited By: pwcorgilover on 8/28/2006 9:39:34 AM*** Reason: correct
No Dog belongs outside. No matter the breed or size or whatever the excuse maybe. As said in many posts before, my dog is my family. She just like one of my kids. BTW she gets fixed in about 2 days, poor girl I feel bad for her. If your dogs don't get anlong then I said you did something wrong. They should not be chain. Hey I got an idea how about we chain you outside and see how you feel, I can promise you, you wont like it either. I have 2 pitts that visit my house everyda so they can play in my yard with my lab. I had 2 pitts growing up that lived inside with us the whole time unless they wanted out. I can't believe anyone would get dogs and leave them outside. What was the point in getting them in the first place. That is just so sad. Your the kinda person that should not have dogs or let alone pets for that matter. You are giving pitts that bad name that they don't deserve. Bring your dogs in, or find them a better home.
I do love my animals. They are all *(clean language please) good dogs. It amazes me that all of you have the ability to know exactly what i do with my animals. My dogs arent fought. They never have and they never will be.
You can assume all you want. It doesnt make it true.
Just because we have two different views on raising and breeding pits doesnt automatically make you right and me wrong. Believe what you will. Eveyone on here has thier own fave breeds. You dont jump down other peeps throats when they say they breed.
Just so you know have those things on that website are *l. There are tons of people who own treamills for thier dogs. My dogs are put on the chains for thier own safety. You should do some real investigating before you jump to conclusions.
The chain setups are designed to be safe for the dog. From the car axel and swivels up to the chain and the 2inch collars.
You can have your opinions and tell me i fight my dogs and that im wrong in chaining them until your blue in the face. It wont make a difference to me.
You havent seen my dogs, my yard, or me. I raise my dogs the way i choose and you do the same. Im not up in your buisness telling you that you need to do things differently. All my dogs are healthy and well taken care of. Thats all that matters.
***Edited By: pyrmom on 8/28/2006 12:48:23 PM*** Reason: *
OK so there are some people that still think it is ok to have a dog outside 24/7... I am sure we could all find people like that in every town in america. It doesn't make it right-- to me, but as long as there is adaquate shelter and food....it's not against the law.
This whole topic is about breeding and having puppies though. While some people have adult dogs outside, I can't think of any breed what so ever that I would think it was 'OK' to have new babies outside, shoot.....older babies (12 weeks plus) shouldn't be outside all the time. It is called socialization.... and as I said before if people are paying good money they want a dog that is socialized.
For example: Yesterday I had a family from MI (which I rarely sell to MI), come out. They were 'shoppers'. They had looked at least 10 other litters besides mine. They said so..... Including one of the top show boxer breeders in MI.
All of the other puppies they looked at were priced between $350-600..... mine was $1200 with pet papers. They completely fell in love with my puppy, because she was beautiful, clean, shiny coat., LOVED people, and WAS POTTY TRAINED.....
Now this family knew that this other show breeder only charges $600 for her limited pups and asked why we charge so much.... I told her it was the time and effort that we put in to the puppies. This other breeder (who is excellent)--chooses to keep her dogs/puppies in a kennel.
When the family looked at the parents, even thought they were show dogs--they behaved like dingos. Eventually she thought it was worth paying TWICE as much for my puppies as the others. Why? Because she liked the way I care for my dogs/puppies, she liked the socialization, and she liked that the puppy was well on her way to being housetrained.
Bottom line....not only is keeping puppies in the house the right thing to do..... it also makes the puppies more valuable and easier to sell.....that alone should be some motivation.
AS far as chaining the pits-- that is a bunch of crap. I have 4 very alpha dog aggressive bitches they do just fine in chain link dog runs. I just separate the Alphas with a younger dog in between. Or you rotate and only let certian ones out if others are in. You don't HAVE to keep them chained.
BTW-- Why would any one want 'game dogs'?? If the game is just to kill other dogs? Unless you are fighting..... That type of attitude and breeding practices are WHY there is Breed Specific Legislation, and why I don't think pit bull reputation will change in my lifetime. Liking dogs with uncontrolable aggression is sickening.
Shame on me??? Shame on yall. Your the ones who jump down peoples throats as soon as they ask simple questions. You automatically jump and make conclusions about people and how terribly they must treat thier animals. I would like to know if any of you actually know eachother because you sure defend eachother. Wouldnt it be funny if one of your trusted TP pals were busted for animal abuse.
And yes it does have everything to do with wether i fight my dogs. Its illegal. Im not involved in any illegal activities. I got to much going on to get caught up in something stupid.
My dogs are game. Thats what i like. Thats how a pit is suppose to be. Most of the pits running around today couldnt hold thier own. Its like have labs with no retrieving instinct. Thier useless.
Im not the reason that BSL exsist. Its ignorant people like you that dont know a damn about pits. Who believe all the crap that is in the media.
How could i be the reason when nobody other than me and maybe 3 other people come in contact with my dogs. I try and teach people about pits all the time. I dont let my pups go to homes with just anyone. I know most of the peeps who have one of my pups or i have traded stock with. All are experienced dogmen or women who know how to properly care and contain these dogs.
Pick the log out of your own eye before you pick the speck out of your neighbors.
I keep my dogs chained because they attack eachother through fencing. A lab mix i own lost part of his ear to a neighborhood stray through my fence.
I choose gamebred dogs. Simple as that. I love the breed. I love their drive. My dogs givve the best they got at everything they do. Whatever i ask of them. You dont find that in other breeds.
BSL was started because people were attacked by a few dogs. Then it got put on the news and it got way out of hand. The the little fanatics that seem to be hiding under rocks whenever they arent needed jump up and demand that something be done about these horrible, mean, and viscious dogs. The funny thing is is that most people dont even know what a true pit looks like.
"Liking dogs with uncontrolable aggression is sickening."
Funny thats the same thing my psychiatrist said. ahahah Its not sickning. To look out over my yard and see the stock that i have it makes me proud. I know i have good dogs. You just have to understand them and their personalitys. Gamebred pits, well pits in general, are not for everyone.
My pups are born inside. Right now when i have nursing females they are seperated in different rooms of my house in large kennel. Im building a small kennel/whelping/sick house right now. Its almost finished. Next week i am putting up the runs off of it for the females and pups. My dogs get the best i can give them.
I guess I will approach this a different way. What exactly do your dogs do then? If dog fighting is illegal (thank God) and that is what they are bred for..... what exactly do yours do?
You say they do everything you ask them to do.....what is that? You can't have dog aggressive dogs to obedience or agility, or confirmation, or canine good citizens.... so what do they do? What does breeding dog aggression do to better the breed?
As far as BSL it is not a far stretch to say that it is LIKELY the dogs bred for GAME/AGGRESSION are going to be the ones more likely to attack a person rather than a PITBULL NOT BRED FOR AGGRESSION.... right? Doesn't that make sense? That is why I say that you are ruining your own breed.
BTW-- I was a social worker who worked in the 'hood' of Benton Harbor (as in racial rioting 3 years ago, burning houses). Even if I didn't know dogs--which I do-- I would know a pitbull.
Hey, shiggs -- I think I know something that just about everybody can agree about:
You say you are careful about who your dogs go to. You want to make sure that people are responsible and know what they are getting into.
Many of the people on the forum feel the same way about pet ownership. They don't want to see animals put into situations where the owners are out of their league -- where the owners don't have the knowledge or means to care for them.
The OP made a post that is fairly frequent here: "I'm gonna breed. What do I do?" To many of the posters here, it is a sign of supreme laziness. There is a wealth of information at the library and on the web (to name just a couple places), and the person clearly hasn't expended any energy to find out any of the things they need to know. They want somebody to just tell them the answers. It's no wonder that people get a little testy.
Sure, everybody has different opinions about the "purpose" of some breeds, and what is the best way to care for animals -- that's a given. But I think everyone can agree that some breeds (and breeding) are better left to people who show a little more initiative than just posting, "Tell me what I need to know."