I know I've posted about this before, but I took in all the comments and nothing seems to be working.
Rocky is still messing in the house. I leave at 7:30am for work and come back for lunch at 1pm. I let the dogs out when I get home and right before I leave. And then I'm home for the night at 4:30pm.
He is not messing up when anyones home, its just when we are all gone to work. We've tried keeping him in the basement, but he keeps escaping. I don't want him to hurt himself by jumping the board at the bottom of the stairs, so I just leave him to roam the house with Mollie.
I know for sure it isn't Mollie, because she hasn't peed in the house for at least a year (shes my GOOD girl lol).
Rocky has fear of being locked up, so he can't be in a crate. I thought of buying a dog run for outside when I'm not home, but it wouldn't be fair for him to be out and Mollie to be in. Couldn't put both out because Mollie barks too much. Also it is gonna start getting cold soon.
It frusterates me that I constanly have to clean up pee on the carpet and now we have soo many stains downstairs by the TV. If it didn't smell or stain, I wouldn't mind cleaning it, lol.
Mollie is a boxer/beagle and is two years old. She weighs about 50 lbs. Rocky is a about 1 1/2, GSDmix and weighs about 50lbs. He is from the humane society and has been severely abused in the past. Both are very attached to me.
Mollie used to have severe separation anxiety, but shes ok now. Rocky doesn't destroy things around the house, he just pees
bogel..... I have to say that the fear of the crate and the messing in the house have to be related. A house, after all, is just a bigger crate.
So that is what you need to tackle. The dog is not comfortable alone in the home. Now, why do you say that it cannot be crated? Even dogs with previously bad associations to crates can be re-crate trained. What is the story such that the dog can't be crate trained?
rocky is not going to be jealous that mollie gets the house and he doesn't. He, if done properly, will like his crate and feel secure in there. Now, I don't see why Mollie can't be crate trained too. I know, she has issues from the abuse. But, there are ways that you ease her into the situation so that she doesn't have to carry these issues with her forever. She faces them and gets along with life. I say the best thing is to crate train them both and let them move on with their lives, forming new associations in place of bad instead of holding on to and reinforcing the bad.
***Edited By: kdubbs27 on 8/31/2006 11:55:04 PM*** Reason: add
We started Mollie off in a crate right when she was a puppy. She was very vocal at first, but then when she got bigger, she started wrecking her crates. The first one was plastic with the metal front, and she could knock the metal door out. She also chewed through the plastic. When she got out of her crate this one day, she found herself in our bedroom. When I came home to pick her up to go to my parents, I found her half way thru our bedroom door. She had chewed/scratched her way thru and dug up all the carpet. We then bought a steel crate. She chewed the plastic bottom out. The bars are further apart on the bottom and she could lift the kennel and fit thru. So we welded steel to the bottom, she then would jump the cage to the carpet and dig it up. So we turned it upside down. She would then move the kennel to whatever was closest, pull it into her kennel and chew it up. For example, a quilt, candles, phone.... She also figured out that if she jumped at the door enought the cage would open. We put locks on it, she still found her way out and to this day, I'm not quite sure how she did it. I eventually had to throw this kennel out because the bars were bent and it was causing more damage than good. She is good in the house now and doesnt really make any messes.
Rocky has severe separation anxiety (no longer destroying things tho). He panics when in a kennel. Jumping, tossing, pawing to get out. I talked to a vet about this and he said I could sedate him. I would never put my dogs on drugs. Rocky has fear issues also when in a crate (whale eying, cowering, basic panicking). I don't want to stress him and have him have a heart attack.
Ok... when you tried to put him in a crate before.. did you leave the crate around in the room with you OPEN at all times, giving him treats in there, etc... never shutting the door until he was comfortable with it's presence and it's "goodness" factor since that is where he gets treats and even dinner? Still NOT SHUTTING the door?
All older dogs will panic and generally "freak out" when the door to a crate is shut... it generally LOOKS way worse than it is, they can make quite the scene, getting worse and worse each time you open that door for them.
***Edited By: kdubbs27 on 9/1/2006 12:06:42 AM*** Reason: zz
I agree with Kdubbs27! Crate training will be the best thing for Rocky. There are ways to do this. Start out slowly. Put your shirt in there so it smells like you.
I do not put food or water in the crate but the longest they are in there is over night. I feel the food and water just makes them have to pee and poop.
Open the crate when your sitting on the floor. Put a treat in there. When he goes in let him come back out, do this for a few min and then your done for now. Keep doing this until he is comforable with the crate. (Do you know about crate size?)
Do not close the door on the crate until he is comforable with the crate. Pet him when he is in there. This will may take a while.
My husky has been in a large crate 42" since she was a pup so I crawl right in there with her and pet her. When she wakes up from her naps and in the morning she lays upside down so I can crawl in there and rub her tummy.
It just take a little time but dogs really do like the crate, it reminds them of there den.
Maybe you will find it better to cover some of the crate so they can't see everything and get excited.
Thanks for the help, I will give it a try. Both dogs sleep in my bed, so the only time they will be in a crate is when I am at work.
Maybe a crate would help. I'll also add that Rocky gets really depressed if I am gone for the night. Last time he stayed on my bed the whole weekend, would't come upstairs with my parents and he puked. I think hes a little attached.
Thanks again and I look forward to no more pee stains.
I must differ from most people because I personally think the best way to get a dog adjusted to a crate is to put their food and water in it. So they HAVE to go in the crate when they want to eat and drink. Then the crate becomes business as usual, not a prison. I want food, I want drink, I must go into the crate and I get what I want. When you put the food in there, as they go in, say "Get in your crate!" in a cheerful voice. Leave the door open the first 5 or 10 meals. Then as they go in to eat shut the crate door behind them so they are used to that.
The first few times after shuting them in, let them out immediately after they are finished. Then gradually extend the time they are in there. If at all possible NEVER let them out when they are whining. Do you ever give your dogs treats? ONLY give them the treats when they are in the crate, and close the door behind them when they are eating them so they learn if they want special treats they have to eat them in the crate.
Now when you are gone, you wont want to leave food or water in the crates... but as part of the training process, I'm all for it.
Bogle I can't rmemeber if Rocky is neutered or not?
If the crates don't go well, you simply need to reduce their roaming space. Some dogs if they roam will pee. When I first brough Ozzy home, he wasn't house trained, I tethered him to a couch leg while I was gone so he couldn't roam. He had the regular length of a nylon lead, his water, food, bedding, maybe a kong stuffed with whatever. I just didn't have a crate to use. For company Leeza was tethered on the other end.
I would never tie my dogs up in my house if I wasn't home. First of all, what if they got tangled up and strangled them selves? 2nd, they would most likely chew themselves free. and finally, that doesn't sound very safe.
Sorry if this messes up the size of the thread! They have these for males and females. You can put a sanitary napkin in to prevent wetting. If he is doing this cause he is mad your gone then this should stop it since a dog wouldn't want to wet on himself.
Just a suggestion! I saw these at our local PetCo if you don't want to order online.
That's a great idea, putting the food in there to get the dog to like his crate. I should have stopped and thought about trying to crate train when they are older and not raised as a pup crated.
When I got Blaze (7 weeks old) I even put a potty pad in there over night. She used it at first over night. I know that her crate was to big for her 42" when she was little. So the potty pad worked great at first. LOL As she got older the potty pad became a shredded toy for her. She could hold her potty longer and thought the potty pad was just something to tear apart.
Hey um..... just to let you know i'm not an expert here are some things that might help but here they are well i've heard that if you neuter your dog it can sometimes reduce peeing in the house and if that doesn't work you could try and install a doggy door and train him a little bit every day how he is supposed to go outside and pee i'm sorry that i couldn't help any more than that !!!!!