http://www.coldsteelpits.com/coldsteelviciouspits.htm

Please read this first page before reading the next link

http://www.coldsteelpits.com/coldsteelmedia.htm

The only problem I have with sites like that is that they put blame on other breeds.

That's not what people need to read. They need to be educated that any dog can bite, not about what breeds bite more than others. That's not breeds, that's owners. And it is just another example of bad media.

Its an effort to show people that pits are not the only breed that is responsible for biting or attacking people.

Thanks. I especially liked the second site. I don't think it is saying that ONLY other breeds bite and not pit bulls. It is countering the ignorant belief that some have that pit bulls are more likely to bite, and trying to bring to light the way that the media will twist things, call other breeds pit bulls just to make a story sound more sensational, print widely and repeatedly any bad story involving a pit when they will not bother to report a similar story involving a different breed, or a couple small papers will report it once.

I understand that, but, not everyone is going to see that.
And they may have the same take on Pit Bulls afterwards, and then once again have that take on Rottweilers, GSD's, Labs, Cockers, etc etc.

That's not the best, IMO.

ALL breeds have the potential to hurt even kill so targeting any dog is a waste of time IMO, what would be more effective is to educate the public on WHY dogs attack and promote responsible dog ownership. The pits have been tainted by bad breeding IMO and there are human aggressive ones out there, which is wrong, but there are breeds that are supposed to be suspicious and guardian types. People don't understand it and people have been led to believe that pits are dangerous, because of BYB's, media and idiot celebrities.

All that hoopla of trying to prove a pit is safe and not dangerous is a waste of time. People who believe that pits are dangerous, also have stats and I am afraid they do not match up with the coldsteel website. You are not going to change thier minds.

It's like telling someone who hates guns, that guns are safe. There response...yeah right!.

but if you told that person, you aknowledge guns are dangerous. But you have a plan of action to educate (proven the most effective prevention), regulate, and make sure people have the proper training to handle a gun. It would comfort them more than showing pictures of guns next to a boquet of flowers. Sort of like a picture of pittbull next to a kitten.


And the whole well look at the rottwielers are doing is not going to work either. Just like saying look what little johnny is doing, did not in kindergarden.

***Edited By: gunny on 9/7/2006 12:14:55 AM***
Reason: s

very suprised to see labrador retriever attacked (in the 2nd one)

I met over a dozen labradors in the dog run. All of them seem to be saints to me

I understand where a few of you are coming from, and I agree to a large extent. In fact, I agree COMPLETELY that people should be educated about proper ownership of whatever breed they own and general dog safety and responsible dog ownership. But I think education specifically about pit bulls and rottweillers and dobies is also very important, and this is why.

Let's use the gun analogy. Yes, there are people who think guns are bad and YES gun safety lessons and education is more likely to change their minds. But what about if people thought that one type of gun, Xtype, which is no more dangerous than Q, R, or T type gun, is bad but other guns are perfectly safe? They see no threat in the "safe" type and want to get rid of all the certain kind that they feel to be bad. Then it would make sense to show people that crimes are committed with other kinds of guns as well, not just the Xgun. If everytime anybody was injured or killed by any gun, the media called it an Xtype gun, even if it was a Q gun it would make sense to point this out because the media is giving a false perception. It would make sense to tell about instances when lives have been saved by Xguns. The people aren't trying to get rid of A, B, or C guns, and are not scared of guns in general. In fact, probably leave their Qgun laying loaded on the coffee table because they think no harm could be done with it. It would be insane to make only people who own Xguns to take safety classes and not to require it of owners of any other types of guns. It wouldn't solve any problems and it would still set the Xguns apart as being more dangerous. ("Those Xguns are so bad that you are required to take a class before you can own one!")

I will NOT admit that pit bulls are inherently bad and then suggest that they need some super unusual training because it isn't true. While it would be nice if pit owners would take their dogs to obedience class, to require only pit owners to do so would be to say that owners of other breeds have no need to do so or don't need to do so as much as a pit bull owner would.. And this just isn't true. Are there individuals that are aggressive? Sure, but no more than any other breed. Are they dog aggressive? Yes, likely, (though not always) and that does require special care.. lots of socialization could help but even more so never leaving him alone with other dogs and learning to read his body language. Keeping him contained and never off-leash in public.. Stuff like that, and I will be the first to tell anyone that dog aggression is common and likely in the breed. Personally, I like mine to be an only dog, and if someone was asking my advice, that is what I would suggest. But it's not like owning a monster or anything.

***Edited By: shinyblackpit on 9/7/2006 10:42:58 AM***
Reason: asdfsadf

First of all, I thought coldsteelpits.com is considered advertising and that was not allowed.

Second, after examining the whole site, I found the pictures of the pits mauling the hog disturbing.

Third, this falls under the catagory of people breeding more pits and adding to that 50% statistics of the number of pits in shelters and being euthanized for lack of placement.

I don't care how great cold steel pits think they are, but the truth of the matter is, nobody will care less about them and any of their offspring after the money changes hand.

PitPatz2AZ.... I am surprised you would be against a breeder who actually takes the time to work and show thier dogs, breeds true to standard APBT's (not the exaggerated, English Bulldog x's), has a website with tons of info about the breed, what they do, etc...thier prices aren't in the thousands of dollars, etc... I know there is no advertising on tis forum, but I would rather see a breeder like them being posted than many of the others I can think of.

As far as your comment about the dogs "mauling" the hog... they are catching and holding the hog...not "mauling" it. Hunting wild boar is a very nessessary thing to do, and the APBT as well as American Bulldog were bred to do it. It isn't fighting, it isn't cruel. Maybe poor taste to publish pics for those who don't understand it, I agree...but it is a large part of the breed.


Anyway..I know I sawyed off topic a bit. I think the topic has been addressed well. Education is the key to saving the bullbreeds...different people are receptive to different things and ways of education....so any way we can portray these dogs as the wonderful dogs they are is better than doing nothing......pictures, words, anything to show the world what these dogs are all about.

I like the coconut statistic

Personally I don't understand how any breeder reputable or not can justify breeding MORE pits when there are MILLIONS dying each day and good wonderful pits. Unless breeders sell the dogs pre-spayed an neutered I personally don't they they have much business breeding. The breed won't die out if breeding stopped and rescue persisted. Think if each pit breeder took a dozen dogs, how few would be killed in shelters.

If I were a breeder I would have a hard time justifying breeding my dogs.

I liked the pics of the dogs in the first link....I think pits need more good press, but unfortunately, the people who need to see it, wont.

I dont mind the hunting pics, probably because I hunt.....dogs are used for hunting all the time.....I could never hunt with my ex when he hunted raccoons tho. I loved to go out and work with the dogs when it wasnt hunting season, to hear them work, but I couldnt bear to see them finish the coon off after it was shot out of the tree....

I am a meat hunter, not fur.

Still, it is a beautiful thing to see a dog doing what it was bred to do.....

here is a video of a bull terrier, protecting his stupid owner.....Stitch woulda ran, Lilo woulda been that dog....

the dog trots away, so dont worry!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5lnUwkkWrk

It's not hard to justify the breeding of Pits anymore than Shepherds, Rottweilers, Labradors, Hounds or any other very numerous breed that is commonly put in shelters and never finds a home.
Someone out there knows what they are doing, what they want and why, and a reputable breeder supplies to that person. They don't let a dog go unneutered unless there is a reason for it, such as showing. And there's nothing wrong with showing in conformation, I don't do it, but I have reasons regarding my dogs preventing me from that.

My point is that education is key, that ANY dog can and will bite when provoked properly. Breed should not be an issue at all, and there shouldn't have to be statistics on them to give a finger a place to point. There are many many exceptions to every breed misnomer out there.

Amen, husky!

I must say, as a former vet tech, it was the cockers that went after me most, but my first bite ever, was from a basenji!!

Personally I sense at this very moment the pit is on it's way to extinction and if it were my breed I would be very keen on preserving it. I feel that way and it's not my breed. Governments, states, provinces, countries are looking to and if not have already banned them, BYB's and millers will only make it worse for the breed. Yes I know BSL doesn't work but IMO this breed is in the most jeopardy at the moment so if the reputable breeders don't step up to the plate and protect the breed it will be gone one day, sooner than later I suspect. I have zero time for bad breeders, millers and BYB's they are the biggest part of the problem.

sorry im responding to the wrong thread

***Edited By: gemini1595 on 9/8/2006 11:13:20 AM***
Reason: wrong message to respond to