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Sudding my mastiff
What is the right age ? What do I charge ?
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Posted: 10:50:09 AM 9/11/2006
I am new to dog breeding. I have a 8 month old Bull Mastiff. I was wondering when I should start getting him tested to breed. I was curious on whast the fee I should charge along with how to find the proper bitch to mate with. Any help anyone can give me would be apprieciated.

Thanks
Posted: 11:19:36 AM 9/11/2006
go to mastiff web dot com. They can help/guide you in the info you seek. Good luck.

Linda
Posted: 11:19:55 AM 9/11/2006
First of all, you need to have his hips OFA'd at the age of 2. You can *prelim* them at 18 mths but they won't certify them til after 24 mths.

If he's anything less than good, I wouldn't breed him at all. Neuter him and call it a day.
Posted: 11:29:30 AM 9/11/2006
stdogz
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IP: Logged 11:19:55 AM 9/11/2006
First of all, you need to have his hips OFA'd at the age of 2. You can *prelim* them at 18 mths but they won't certify them til after 24 mths.

If he's anything less than good, I wouldn't breed him at all. Neuter him and call it a day.
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I agree,and the people there will tell him/her the same. They will also want to know the pedigree,etc and will help you(OP) determine if he is a great specimen to the breed. They will give you(OP) info and help,so go on over there and see what they have to say.

Also,don't expect to be ready to breed him(if he's a quality specimen)until after the age of two. That will give you plenty of time to research and get to know the good and bad of things concerning the breed and breeding.

***Edited By: LindaP on 9/11/2006 11:30:20 AM***
Reason: separate quote and response.
Posted: 12:28:18 PM 9/11/2006
To sudd a mastiff, I assume you would need a couple GALLONS of soap.

I would expect to PAY people to sud a dog like that, it has to take hours!! No one will pay you for it.



lol

sorry, just trying to be funny.
Posted: 12:49:15 PM 9/11/2006
kdubbs-
lol! I was thinking the same thing when I saw the topic!
Posted: 1:53:41 PM 9/11/2006
Hmm...how about...don't do it at all?
Posted: 2:08:47 PM 9/11/2006
I think this person is doing the right thing. They are asking questions BEFORE they breed, and are wanting to get testing done, what price is reasonable.

I do not think this person is trying to do it for the kicks of it.
Posted: 2:42:09 PM 9/11/2006
Hands-on experience benefits best, the internet, forum or not, doesn't help you, personally, much at all.
Posted: 3:45:32 PM 9/11/2006
Why doesn't this person ask the breeder they got the dog from or their mentor these questions?
Posted: 4:07:00 PM 9/11/2006
I agree with Gunny,at least this person is asking for the proper ways to go about things. I hope they went on to the website I mentioned.....lots of help there,either for or against,depending on their mastiff/background/quality,etc.

Linda
Posted: 5:30:01 PM 9/11/2006
Come on Husky, I have learned a great deal about things by the internet. Now OJT is a great, invaulable tool. But so is learning via a classroom style. I think research before pratical experimentation is the best root.

So instead of question why she is doing the way she chooses. why do we not just answer her questions?

24 mos... is when I get elbows and hips tested, again I do malinois. Thats all we worry about with them. so check on common aligments with mastiffs. I am guessing it is going to be a long list.

Next for me....$750.00 -$1500...is a reasonable prive for a pure bred dog with a great pedigree. anything with out...i would not breed. The less puppies mama has the more the dogs will cost. I only wish to have the sale of the puppies cover any medical costs the dog will create. so if the dog has 1 puppies. 1500.00 is the worst case scenrio for me. I figure about 500.00 for routine stuff for mama and pups, and 1000.00 for an emergency. now if mama has 6 puppies that will 1000.00 a pup, 10 750.00 get it.
Posted: 6:03:35 PM 9/11/2006
Sorry, but I refuse to condone giving someone information on this type of situation.
As good as the people here are with advice, someone who asks about something like this on a public forum, is IMO, NOT ready to breed and won't be anytime soon at all. That's not something that tells me this person is going to be a good breeder. Even if they have good intentions.
I have had plenty of people come to me asking how to breed, but I don't hand out pamphlets. No website or person who just has pet dogs and knows the right thing to do without ever having dealt with it REALLY knows what's involved in breeding, first-hand.
Plenty of people have been turned away from their decision to breed after seeing what can happen, and seeing the price.
Posted: 6:34:26 PM 9/11/2006
HuskyHauler
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Sorry, but I refuse to condone giving someone information on this type of situation.
As good as the people here are with advice, someone who asks about something like this on a public forum, is IMO, NOT ready to breed and won't be anytime soon at all. That's not something that tells me this person is going to be a good breeder. Even if they have good intentions.
I have had plenty of people come to me asking how to breed, but I don't hand out pamphlets. No website or person who just has pet dogs and knows the right thing to do without ever having dealt with it REALLY knows what's involved in breeding, first-hand.
Plenty of people have been turned away from their decision to breed after seeing what can happen, and seeing the price.

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HH,first bolded-This person is asking for help and is researching,what's that truly tell you? I just don't understand your concept of blowing this persons questions off as not being able to comprehend the info and suggestions they're given.

Second bolded-What makes you think that this isn't helping the OP to make an actual decision to breed or not,in the future? I don't understand your logic nor lack of concern to respond other than your quick judgements...

Be thankfull this person does have an abundant amount of time to research and figure out what's right for them to do. They have plenty of time to get the facts,education,research,and to henestly decide what's right in the end. They aren't being anything less than responsible by asking for help and info,BEFORE they breed...if they ever do decide to breed,that is. Help them with knowledge and information,not condesending remarks and absolute pre-destined failure just because they are seeking knowledge.
Posted: 6:51:28 PM 9/11/2006
Come on, this type of post has been made before, and everyone has responded the same way I did. I'm not seeing what's different this time at all, but either way, the internet does not teach you how to bring lives into the world, it's as simple as that.

Someone who has been breeding as long as I have would obviously take this into concern. If they do in fact have all this time to research, as said above but not really supported anywhere by the OP, then they need to get hands-on experience with an actual breeder. Possibly their breeder would be the most willing to help them, and would be able to give the best information to them, and all the worst case scenarios, which don't happen to be as uncommon as most would like to think.
Posted: 7:21:31 PM 9/11/2006
Husky Hauler-- It depends on the day and who is posting that day. I generally say that every one has a first litter some time. I am glad that they are asking questions before breeding. MOST do not.

I concider the internet just as good as any book, maybe a forum is better because you have more than just one or two people's opinion (as with a book). I know I have learned a lot off here or I wouldn't still be on here dealing with all the negativity.

You know, maybe there aren't any 'mentors' near her. I basically stumbled upon mind, while looking for a stud for my third litter of puppies. The first two were on my own and I was lucky that I had a great whelpers and wonderful mothers or I could have had a mess.

I was lucky to have found some one friendly that took me under her wing. As you can see from this message board--not every one is friendly towards helping others learn to breed.

What the negative people on here do ALL the time is NOT mentoring.... it is actually the exact opposite.

***Edited By: alicat1 on 9/11/2006 7:40:23 PM***
Reason: sp
Posted: 7:23:24 PM 9/11/2006
well I do condone a person willing to research and learn. and this post is quite different than the others. they are not looking for a stud or when will we know to breed. they are asking how do i responsibly prepare my dog to be breeding stock.
Posted: 7:33:42 PM 9/11/2006
also i agree the i-net is not the way, but it can be a start. it can be part of an education. But hey I forgot HH you were born knowing how to breed. You do not know this is her only avenue of learning your assuming that.

and remember when you correct behavior not only is the behavior affected but thew mind set also.

I am a student of learning. meaning I study how people learn, and the most determental thing to knowledge is a person who asks for help but is denied.

take the AIDS epidemic. what has been the most successful prevention of transmission, education on safe sex. Is this condoning it? no,. without education people are still going to. so why not educate them and prevent bad things.
Posted: 7:55:26 PM 9/11/2006
But hey I forgot HH you were born knowing how to breed
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Ignorance is bliss, I wasn't aware I was known so well.
Sorry that breeding for many many years gives knowledge, and yes everyone started out somewhere, but a forum definitely isn't experience.

take the AIDS epidemic. what has been the most successful prevention of transmission, education on safe sex. Is this condoning it? no,. without education people are still going to. so why not educate them and prevent bad things.
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Bad analogy, because I don't think people should breed wildly either.
Posted: 8:05:20 PM 9/11/2006
You can read from book or internet. Speak with a breeder/mentor/vet for days, and still that first litter at 3 in the morning when the puppies first start coming. You are alone. The only way you can experience that IS to breed your first litter.

I don't know of too many mentors willing to spend 2-4 nights at your house waiting for puppies to arrive.

Support is great; a mentor, a good vet on hand, other breeders (several good breeders and wonderful people I have met on this site might I add), are all wonderful tools that it would be great for all breeders to have.

I have tried to start a breeder only forum (which due to technical difficulties never materialized), because I think people should be able to ask ANY question with out fear, because it would be the dogs that would ultimately benifit.
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