I had a JRT and had to find a new home for him a couple years ago (unexpectedly was with child, BF was OTR truck driver, and started going to college and staying w/ my mom who's allergic to dogs). Luckily my mom's friend was able to take him. She has a female and a big yard so I think he's pretty happy.
Well, she lets him breed her female every time she's in heat and she's had maybe 6 litters in 2 years (I think it's 6... I'm pretty sure that's what she said). Obviously that's not the best thing for the female but I bring this up because I saw her ad in the paper for the latest litter of puppies. This lady's really nice and hasn't been ashamed to speak in front of me about the price she's asking for these puppies. They're not registered (both dogs were acquired before the AKC recognized JRTs) so the prices aren't that high. But she does pull in a profit from the litters as she doesn't take the dogs to the vet and doesn't use premium feed. I think maybe she's made a couple thousand.
Anyway, I realize that legally I'm not entitled to any money from her as I gave my dog to her. I'm just having a hard time with the ethical point of this. If it were me, I'd offer some money back to be nice. But maybe that's just me.
I won't comment on all of the other things that you mentioned, but bottom line is if some one gave me a dog and I happen to breed it, I wouldn't feel that they are entitled to anything. If you wanted something for the dog that should have been arranged prior to the lady taking the dog.
Everything else that this lady is doing is too negative to comment on.
I don't think the woman is obligated to offer you any of the profits. It's HER dog. However, I think it's poor form for her to brag about the gravy-train she has going on.
You might consider dropping the hint, "So how much money do you think you've made since I gave you Digger?" I doubt she'll catch on. If you point out that breeding on every heat cycle isn't a good idea, she will probably think you are just jealous.
Will you ever be in a position to take the dog back?
Boy you're a piece of work. You're worried about the $$$ that you feel should be offered to you instead of the poor dog that's pumping out puppie$ until it finally kills her. Yeah, good home for your dog, you gave him to a back yard greeder, yes, Greeder is what I call it. You're at a PET forum, not a How Can I get My Money? forum. WT for sure.
***Edited By: luvmydoxys on 9/15/2006 3:11:54 PM*** Reason: sp
This isn't some Champion pedigreed or even registered dog. I am sure that the lady could find a similar un-neutered male at any animal control in the country. Most use a 'deposit system' to make sure that you neuter the dog.
If the OP didn't want the lady to use him for breeding the dog should have been fixed first. The lady could just say that all the 'stud fees' have been used up by the DAILY BOARD BILL for the dog to stay there.
okay, maybe it is not a good idea to breed everytime she is in heat, i am not a breeder, i leave that to the experts, but i think common sence would tell you that the dogs body needs time to heal after having babies. don't dogs go in to heat around every 6 months? what makes you think that you are entitled to any of the money? that is not your dog anymore!
If she has had this dog for several years. Which saved you from having to euthanise it years ago. ( saved you $) And she has been feeding him ( saved you $) Caring for him and taking him to the vet ( saved you $) And is now getting profit off studding him out. This is not only none of your business you should be grateful that you didnt have to kill him! As for her irresponsible breeding of him that`s something I`d like to take up with her. But your thinking you are entitled to something takes the prize. IF ANYTHING , maybe she would offer you a pup. but that would be as far as I would go.
Unbelievable on both persons parts!!! I will refrain from saying anything else...for good reason. ____________________
Agreed with this statement.
But, I will say this. In response to this statement " If it were me, I'd offer some money back to be nice. But maybe that's just me. "
What are you talking about? Money back, to be "nice". Perhaps you should have found a responsible family friend, someone caring, not just in it to make a few bucks. Not only is it cruel of her, but why get the money back, it means your a part of it. Just my opinion.
This is a sad situation. Yes the female is being overbred and will lose years from her life expectancy. But you did give her the dog, so she owes you nothing legally or ethically. She is not going to give you the dog back, of course. I would lose contact with this lady because it is probably emotionally upsetting to see this. I concurr with the other's opinion that he should have been neutered first.
Since most bitches only come into season twice a year, that would probably put the litter count at more like 4 in two years. No matter, it's still 3 too many if that is the case, just for the health of the bitch in question.
The ethics of her breeding, feeding and care are also soemthing that leaves everything to be desired. I'm afraid that I wouldn't call her "very nice" if she has so little care for the living creatures who depend on her.
As far as studding your former dog and shorting you out of any financial recompense, I wonder why you didn't get a reduced neuter certificate and have him neutered before palcing him?
While I understand the situation you were in and felt you had to re-home him, you did re-home a dog that was intact. The fact that he COULD always sire a litter off any intact bitch should have been something to consider before placing him.
I don't think you can rightfully ask for any money from her.