As a HUGE Steelers fan - I check up on the Steelers all the time... came across this article today. He has a Pit and a Mastiff (I've seen pics of the Mastiff... he's a Cane Corso - beautiful) - they attacked and killed a miniature horse. So he is fined for "harboring dangerous dogs" - if his dogs had been say... a lab and a husky - would he have been charged the same way?
As for not having the dogs licensed... that's bull too! The dogs were licensed in California - where he lives. The dogs were with him in PA. So... does that mean if I decide to go spend a month or so with my sister and I take my dogs - that I need to get them licensed in Colorado too?
Ok... share your views... I'm frustrated and pissed off!
Are you mad about the dogs killing the min. horse or him getting fined? Seems to me that those dogs have some real aggression issues to kill an animal that was not even in their territory. Who cares what breeds they are, this kind of thing is never okay. He really needs to start working with his dogs to prevent this from happening again.
I feel sorry for the horse... really I do. And I think that he should be fined for the dogs getting out and doing damage...
However, I don't think that the "harboring a dangerous dog" charge is right... especially if this is the first time that his dogs have ever caused a problem... how could he have known that they would do something like this? He has a fenced in yard... I don't think that had less "intimidating dogs" done this that he would have been charged with the dangerous dog thing...
The licensing thing... Most places require you to have your dogs licensed - you get a license through your county. But again, he lives in Pittsburgh part of the year - during football season. My grandparents used to live in Ohio all summer/spring/fall and Florida all winter... their dog was licensed in Ohio - not in Florida...
I dont think a dog taking down an animal that they could consider as prey.. does not mean they're dangerous animals. A horse that small... perhaps they thought it was prey (both breeds have been bred to take down deer and boars).
I know Kiba would probably go after a rodent or small animal (what the breed is intended to do)..
A dog going after say chickens would you call that a dangerous animals?
I feel bad for the owners of the horse... of course it shouldnt have happened but it seems like an accident.
Every state has its own laws about liscencing -- it isn't necessarily enough to say the dog was licensed *somewhere*.
Think of it like getting plates on your car. It many states, if you live somewhere as little as 30 days, you need to have your car licensed locally. It's not the kind of thing that the cops go searching for to enforce, but if something else bad happens, and you are in violation, they will nail you for it.
I have no way of knowing whether they would apply the rule to other breeds, but my gut reaction is YES. I'm guessing that the charge corresponds to the killing of the other animal.
They probably wouldn't charge a terrier for killing a chipmunk, but if say that same dog killed the beloved Puxatawny Phil (sp?), and the public recoils in horror, well, he'd probably be cited as a "dangerous animal."
When I was six a pack of stray dogs came in our barn and nearly killed MY arab pony. She was a medium size pony and they nearly tore her back end off. Hundreds and hundreds of stitches and over a year to recover.
I know that if a dog killed my pony, I think they should be shot. Even if it was my dog--I wouldn't shoot it, but it would be gone that day.
Why is some one else's pet horse worth less than some one's pet dog? I don't care if it was a chihuahua, they don't need to be killing some one elses pet. Killing a wild animal is different than breaking in to an enclosure and killing something that was confined.
***Edited By: alicat1 on 9/22/2006 2:33:02 PM*** Reason: sp
I don't know what to take of this topic. I think if any breed attacks another animal, or human, whatever, that actions should be taken for the animal to either A) be put under control B) or the animal to be euthanized. Period, no other options are out there.
From being just attacked by one of my own dogs (a husky mind you) the other month, and us deciding on the spot in the emergency room that she was going to be put down, I don't believe in people having to give a dog a second chance. No way, no question about it.
I believe a fine is a great idea for this guy. A mini horse is even a big obstical for a dog to take on and kill. Whats next? The hand that feeds the dog?
I would have to say that he should consider himself pretty lucky, I also feel that his celebratity got him a brake. I too am from PA (different Part) but if this happened where I live, the dogs would have be taken and evaluated then possibly pts. Its sad it happened at all. But I would say he is lukcy....
Danni - have to disagree with you. Unless you are in one of the 3 cities that do their own licensing in PA & thereby have some different laws than the state laws - no the dogs would not have been confiscated.
PA's dangerous dog law does not require that unless 1 the dog is stray. 2 the dog has already been declared dangerous.
There will be a declaration made at the district justice level. He can then appeal it. Often the dog warden will make a deal with the owner that if they euthanize the dogs they will not file the dangerous dog charges. That will be his choice.
The dogs meet all the required criteria as dangerous because they killed a domestic animal while OFF the owners property.
As for the licensing - well, yes he lives there - he was not visiting anyone - he owns the property & lives there.
As for living half the year two different places - many places in FL require you to license if you spend 6 months in FL. Actually it is in the pets best interest to have some ID for both places. If your dog gets away from you in FL - his OH ID doesn't do much good in getting him back to you now does it?
The dogs killed a horse, yes that is unfortunate. But how do the dogs differentiate between a miniature horse and a deer, or a a wild animal? It was in an enclosure (I'm sure the dogs just crawled under the fence). The dogs don't know that the horse is a pet, it is a just another animal to them.
The dogs should not have gotten out in the first place though, but they were following their instincts. Did the dogs try and attack the police? Or another person?
I don't think attacking another animal makes an animal dangeroues-a lot were bred to.
But any animal that comes after livestock or farm animals or even one of my dogs will get shot. When you live around farms your animals can't run around cuz if they hurt soemthing they will be shot and if they are not shot ever person in that town will be on the lookout for them if they do get loose again. A mini is not a full grown horse but that doens't make it much diffrent.
There are other options. I have seen dogs, and owned dogs, who have gone after other animals do just fine later in life. It's just the process of finding someone to take on the problem. Most people aren't willing (too lazy or too scared). That's their problem. They aren't helping anything by putting the animal to sleep, and not bothering to try and work with it first.
The fines will not be a problem for the owner. And it doesn't look like the dogs are getting PTS, thankfully. I highly doubt the dogs are "dangerous", that's just going on the experience I and others I know have had with dogs who have gone after other animals, and killed them.
It's unfortunate the horse died. Maybe the horse's owners had a shabby enclosure to begin with? No dogs have ever gotten to any horses around here; they just can't do it.
Wiley, the police said they have no idea how the dogs got out. Obviously, the owner had a great space for them to be kept outdoors in. Accidents happen. Stop and think about it...the space the horse was in must not have been very secure for a Pit and a Cane Corso to get into. And it said he did talk to the owners, and I'm sure he'd have no problem paying for the horse if the owners wished it.
Husky - Thank you. I know that I'm in the minority on this... and no, it's not just because he's a Steeler. I just can't see how they can say he was "harboring a dangerous dog" - if up until that day his dog had never shown signs of aggression.
If he didn't have a fenced in yard or if they found that the fence was damaged and had not been repaired... well, I could see where he was at fault.
I have a beagle who is an escape artist who has never been aggressive. The kids in the neighborhood have forgotten to shut the gate and I have on occasion, found myself running the neighborhood looking for my dog. Heaven forbid that he might ever decide to bite another dog... I would feel terrible. But I would still be sitting there thinking... I can't believe he bit another dog!
Would I be charged with Harboring a Dangerous Dog? Probably not... he's a Beagle... not a Pit or a Cane Corso.