Well, I use to like to go on that site, dog breed info, and read about all the differnt types of dogs, but they got all these Deseigner dogs, that I cant find any purebred pages, its rediculous. I was wanting to research some breeds to see what breed I want sometime in the future (it's my dream to raise and show dogs, just dont know what type yet) But there site is so crappy now I cant find an actual breed. Sorry for my rant, but its getting on my nerves, these people with there deseigner dogs have gone insane
Go to the library and get books on dogs and breeds or go to the Pet Store and look at their books, get the names of the breeds you are interested in and then come home and goole the breed name and read at your leasure.
I have a little mix named Cody, he is a Bichon Frise/Westie mix and I adore him. I never heard the term Designer Dog until I came on this forum. When people ask me what type of dog he is I just say "He is my 1/2 breed, 1/2 Bichon and 1/2 Westie, you would be surprised how many will not settle for that, they want you to tell them a breed name, my husband came up with one that if someone really won't take our answer he will say ok, "he is a Bestie" then they go away happy and we just go away laughing to ourselves.
I tried to post some pics but for some reason they are not coming up.
***Edited By: codys mom on 9/24/2006 11:47:59 AM*** Reason: pic didn't work
......So husky, what is the difference of buying a Mix (that can be found in a shelter) and buying a Purebred (that could also be found in a shelter)? There are many Purebreds in shelters as well (they just may go faster), or ones that look pretty close. Is it any "Different" just "because".....? I don't see a difference. I could say the same thing, why do you need a purebred when you could go to a shelter and save a life??? As you so clearly state over and over. It gets old. People won't change.
Well actually, Kitty-- If you go to dogbreedinfo.com there are SEPERATE links for PUREBREDS and Mixes. They are on completely seperate pages. 2 links at that very top--First thing you'd see when you go to the homepage.
Purebred or "Hybrid Dogs"
so really....what are you talking about? didn't look to hard I asume, just wanted to start something that has been brought up many times. ......
Since we aren't on the topic of purebreds, I didn't bring them up. If someone would've said it, then there. But they didn't.
Since I state it "over and over" though, I obviously take to heart when someone is breeding mutts for money, or purebreds for the same reason. It's just that "designer dogs" are the hottest topic.
And I'll stay by that, and edit it for anyone else who thinks that I'm some hardcore purebred enthusiast (which would be impossible, I own Alaskan Huskies)..
As long as there are breeders of mixed breeds, "teacups", toys where they don't belong, unhealthy, game, so on, there will be people buying them...but they can all be found in a shelter, some more than others. If you can't find what you're looking for in a reputable purebred breeder, or in the shelter, purebred or otherwise, you're not ready for a dog. You're probably just asking too much.
For all those that think there is no difference between buying a MUTT from a breeder and a PUREBRED from a breeder, i will tell you what the difference is and why supporting a mutt breeder is just adding to the problem.
First of all, not all purebreed breeders are good and responsible owners. This is where heavy research comes into place before deciding on purchasing a puppy. With that being said you can find a responsible purebreed breeder, BUT there is no such thing as a responsible mutt breeder. That's an oxymoron. WHY?
First of all, mutts do not have confirmation standards..they cannot be shown and cannot be confirmed for having proper breed standards..this is very important for responsible breeders. Confirmation titles are something I would definately look for when looking for a pup because it shows that the breeder wants to breed for the betterment of the breed..they care about proportions, proper health testing that goes back many generations.
Mutt breeders rarely health test, and even if they do, it doesn't mean anything as there simply aren't enough generations to ensure that genetic diseases won't be spread to the pups. Purebreed breeders (responsible ones) ensure that generation after generation is tested and any genetic mishaps are no passed onto pups...dogs that aren't top quality are not neutered..this is responsibility!
Mutt breeders don't have contracts...they don't care if their dogs are put into a shelter two months later..they don't take the responsibility to take their dogs back if five years down the road the buyer for some reason cannot care for the dog...they rarely have vet references and they don't give a butt about health guarantees.
Mutt breeders don't care for the fact that there are already hundreds of purebreed dogs that take the job of whatever dogs they are mixing. You want a fluffy cute dog? WHY would you buy a maltese/shitzu mix when you can buy a maltese or a yorkie? They're both toy dogs and fit the role of companion dogs.
Temperament testing...mutt breeders don't care for this...this is very important for responsible purebreed breeders as well...
Making "new" designer breeds is wrong...there are so many homeless dogs out there...there are so many existing breeds that its selfish and pointless to create mutts just for money...responsible breeders do not breed for the money, they do it for the betterment of the breed and usually end up losing some cash...they care about the future of the breed...not for a few bucks they'll be making off the pups.
This is the difference between purebreed breeders and mutt handlers as I like to call them.
Mommma mia..that's nice...and from what I recall.I didn't ask for your snobish comments..if you disagree with me, that's fine and dandy...
By hybrid breeders I'm assuming you're talking about purebreds? I don't know since I don't hear that phrase being used..... I guess you simply don't read...if you did, you would notice that I mentioned that not all purebreed breeders are ethnical and responsible...I was only talking about the responsible ones...the hard to find ones!
There is a definition of what a responsible breeder is, and if you don't like it...sad for you....
IMO mutt breeders are BYB breeders..period *shrugs* if you are one, you're only adding to the problem so thanks for nothing *shrugs*
You also mentioned to Husky that there is no difference if you buy a purebreed from a breeder or a shelter...although I personally wouldn't buy from a breeder anyways because I rescue, I strongly disagree with you...purebreds that end up in shelters are the work of irresponsible breeders..they can in fact be clumped under BYB along with mutt handlers...people who have done their research and still insist on buying from a purebreed breeder do so because they have a specific goal in mind, for example, hunting, retrieving, herding, or in fact showing/confirmation....so they research upon a breed and a specific breeder that has titles based on the work the dog was originally bred for....generations of work..generations of clean bloodlines..generations of health testing..
Wait..do mutt breeders do this? ......yeah, I didn't think so either...
***Edited By: pitbulls on 9/24/2006 2:55:21 PM*** Reason: added more info
Momma Mia..if you believe that I came across rudely, I would like you to quote me so that I can perhaps explain why I did so, because from what I'm seeing, I was trying to inform people...that's what pet forums are for....I'm not going to sit around and be sweet and fuzzy and tell you I think mutt breeders are OK..because they're not..
i dont see where mommamia is being snobbish at all. just giving her opinion. it may differ from yours or anyone elses on the board for that matter. but it is still her opinion, and she has a right to it. i dont agree with all this new mix and matching of the breeds. and like it or not, that is MY opinion. we have all heard the spiel of how the shelters are full of mutts. then the counter opinion of how there are purebreds there too. bottom line is the shelters are full of DOGS. mixed and purebred. they all came from somewhere and ended up being unwanted. from pups to the elderly. if everyone would just be responsible for the pets they own and produce, the shelters would become obsolete. it doesnt matter the breed, mix of dog, etc, etc. if your a breeder, then be responsible for each and every puppy you produce. if you are not a breeder, then get your pet spay or neutered. such a simple solution to such a widespread pet overpopulation problem. it amazes me that so many people dont "get it ".
dusty..I agree with you..but I was stating the fact that I believe mutt breeders simply can't be responsible..I still look forward to the day when I will meet a responsible one, even though I know that won't ever happen...
I think momma mia is offended because she got her dog from a mutt breeder...that's not my problem... I have nothing against mutts, I think they are great and I love them to death..however, I do have problems with people supporting irresponsible breeding by purchasing say, a puggle, or a teacup chihuahua for example..
How do you define a responsible mutt breeder?...there's no such thing.
Simple. Same way you'd define a Responsible Purebred Breeder. One that has done health testing on both parents and they are clear of any Genetic problems known to the breed before breeding them. One that does not produce tons of litters per year, but rather one or two .One that does not have many dogs. One that has her dogs in the house with her and don't and will never know what it is like to be "caged." One that puts her heart into what she does and checks in on a near month basis to be sure things are going well with her buyers, because the puppies will always be her "babies". One that makes herself available 24/7 if I ever need anything. One that states from the beginning that if for ANY reason an owner can no longer take care of the dog, to bring him back and she will find him a suitable home and if not possible, keep him herself. One that welcomes you into her home and all areas of it to see where the parents live. It's not hard to quickly tell the dogs are loved and cared for. That defines MY breeder that we got Mia from. I cannot and will not speak for ALL Hybrid Breeders, just as you cannot speak for all Purebred Breeders, but I can speak from MY experience. No further explanation needed. As long as I do my research on the breeder I got Mia from, I am just as prepared and knowlegde-based as any person finding a purebred dog. Just because you don't agree with it does not make it wrong.
>>>How do you define a responsible mutt breeder?...there's no such thing. <<<
You got it! If you are a decent and responsible breeder you follow your national breed clubs code of ethics. The first guideline rule on most breeds (INCLUDING POODLES the most common "designer mutt" cross) states that the intentional breeding of cross breds is UNACCEPTABLE.
>>>If that was true, then how would you get your purebreds, darling'? I assume you'd know most purebreds were created from the crossing of 2 or more breeds. <<<
All of the real breeds we have were created for a specific purpose. All of those needs are filled. What is the purpose of, for example a Lab x Poodle? A good "no shed" pet? Take it from me, an old friend of mine is a groomer, Lab x Poos shed more then a regular poodle. A well bred Poodle, Airedale, Porti Water Dog, or Bedlington Terrier would make a fine pet with proper training.
We need to improve the breeds we have, not make more.
"Purpose" There are many breeds that overlap in purpose. If that was the case, they could have stopped a long time ago...Why stop now? What makes this day and age any different? What makes these Hybrids so wrong yet others so right.