Momma Mia sweetheart...purebreeds were bred for generations upon generations where any health issues through genes were cleared up...health testing doesn't mean testing the mother and father..it means generation upon generation of clearing health issues..choosing only the best to breed...not just putting dog a and b together because they look nice and happen to be healthy.
...mutt breeders don't do this because they have never had a chance to do this..how is this so hard to understand? lol dear God! Do you realize that mutts will not always produce dogs that look like one another..one pup might look much different than another pup..there is HENCE no confirmation and absolutely NO guarantees...this isn't responsible..and YES, what people are doing when they support a byb mutt handler IS wrong...
You say that purebreeds are mixed? They were mixed generations upon generations ago TO DO A SPECIFIC JOB...ALL THE JOBS NECESSARY HAVE BEEN TAKEN UP BY ONE BREED OR ANOTHER..HUNDREDS of years ago...their confirmation has been set....and you might come back at me by saying, well perhaps years ahead your chi/pug mix will have a confirmation of its own? Why would you support the creation of new breeds in the future when there are hundreds around in the first place that suit the job of a herding dog or a guide dog or a lap dog?
There is an overpopulation crisis with dogs across the world....why would you support something so illogical? You can go ahead and feel special and tell yourself you did nothing wrong....
"You got it! If you are a decent and responsible breeder you follow your national breed clubs code of ethics. The first guideline rule on most breeds (INCLUDING POODLES the most common "designer mutt" cross) states that the intentional breeding of cross breds is UNACCEPTABLE."
Momma Mia..why stop now? Yeah sure..there are thousands upon thousands of dogs in need of homes..why stop now? :) Lets make a whole bunch of new "breeds" pfft if you want to call them that, that serve the mere purpose of being pets..just because we can..excellent ethics!
***Edited By: pitbulls on 9/24/2006 4:21:37 PM*** Reason: Added
Momma Mia..you are the one that came across as extremely defensive and aggressive to start off with...but now that you don't like anybody's replies your the victim? I think not.
Yes, I did buy from a pet store..I was a whole 8 yeras old and I went with my parents. How did they not know? Because we come from a country that has no puppy mills and dogs come from farms...its a completely different lifestyle...dogs aren't sold for income...
So I hope that answered your question...lol its quite low that you have to target on that aspect of my past just to make yourself feel better. I've learned my lesson well, how about you?
Yes, all breeds were made by mixing, but the breeders back then were breeding together, creating standards for the breeds and such. Today, people who are breeding "labradoodles" "malti-poos" and such are not breeding together and are not trying to create standards, they are trying to create some extra money in there pocket.
***Edited By: missmorgan on 9/24/2006 5:02:58 PM*** Reason: Fixed something
"I think purebreds should come from shelters. If you want a pet, your first stop should be the local rescue."
not always that easy. we wanted a french bulldog. we talked to the shelter. the lady we talked to has worked there for a couple of years. she said in the two years she has worked there, she has only seen one frenchie come through and it was gone within twenty minutes. so some breeds are not easily found at a shelter. i wish we could have gotten one from a shelter, instead of paying 2000 to a breeder.
Momma Mia..considering the fact that they're in cages in a pet store doesn' tell us anything about where they came from, their health, how they were treated, how their parents were treated, etc...it doesn't justify your claim that my parents should have known better...
I already told you, we've learned our lesson after immigrating here....but you obviously haven't learned yours..I guess ignorance is bliss.
I don't think I have anything more to say to you...WEREN'T YOU GOING TO LEAVE?
You keep saying that there's nothing new being offered in this thread but you keep responding to everyone's criticisms of your support for mutt breeding...
<<<not always that easy. we wanted a french bulldog. we talked to the shelter. the lady we talked to has worked there for a couple of years. she said in the two years she has worked there, she has only seen one frenchie come through and it was gone within twenty minutes. so some breeds are not easily found at a shelter. i wish we could have gotten one from a shelter, instead of paying 2000 to a breeder. >>>
I ment that more along the lines for someone who wants a Lab or "Lab type" dog as a family pet. I understand your devotion to a rare/uncommon breed. I have Beaucerons :-)
Bernese Mountain dogs are popular, but a few decades ago no one knew what they were, and my mother wanted one simply as a companion. I helped her find one (how I got my start in the breed) and there were no puppies for sale, let alone in rescue.
This is how it works for me, there are too many DOGS and CATS period. Until ALL breeders, responsible or not pull up their pants and get their acts together we meaning society will continue to kill MILLIONS of animals per year.
Personally I think all pups sold as pets should be spayed and neutered PRIOR to sale and anyone wanting to breed must buy a license that is VERY expensive for BYB and cheaper for responsible breeders. All dogs should be chipped in the owners and breeders name which would then also be linked to their license so they can be held accountable!
Problem is we are a "I want" society and we also throw things away as fast as we want them.