Okay I just have a question about those who feed a raw diet. For do you really mean (raw chicken and beef and eggs) in the dogs bowl? I was just wondering, curious really if anyone had any issues or concerns with cross contamination. Which is the number one leading cause of Food born illness. I have seen on hear that dogs are not effected by Salmonella, but humans are. If a dog eats chicken or eggs that are contaminated and then goes and lick you hand or your childs face, they can potentially transmitt the virus. Not trying to be controversial. just curious. Maybe my dog is just a sloppy eater but his food can be found all over his face sometimes. Maybe I am misunderstand the raw diet. Thanks
Lol but how would it be any different when your dog licks it's behind or privates and then licks you or your children? I'm a big fan of Mythbusters and they did an experiment to see if it was in fact true that a dogs mouth is cleaner than a humans......the dogs mouth is definatly cleaner! I think, but don't hold me to it, but it's due to the fact that dogs salavate more. It is interestin though.
with RAW it is vital that you clean up immediatly after they eat. I feed the dogs in my garage on linolieum, immediatly after they are done, I wash thier dishes and bleach the floor. but as for the licking of a childs face, I have not had a problem or have heard of one. I have a 2 mos old
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I had a feeling that after I wrote the topic down that someone could thing that .. lol sorry I was just thinking about it thats all. Seems like it could be a possiblity if you are not as deligent as they above mentioned... (sorry can't remember your name right now.. haven't had coffee yet). I do honesty believe that a dogs mouth is cleaner then ours and have always said that when someone contested to me allowing my dog to lick my face. But I never feed him raw food. My concern is not whats in the mouth but the fur around the mouth.. In PA a known case of Ecoli accurred at a petting zoo when a girl petted a goat who had remainder of it on his face. Grant it Ecoli is way different then Salmonella but I would think the same principle could apply.. or am I way off the mark hear. I cause I am hyper sensitive to cross contamination cause I used to be a Health inspector.. and dealt with that all the time. But it wasn't honety until i started posting on TP that I learned of feeding you dog a raw based food diet.
Its all about how you handle the food too. I make sure I keep everything sanitary. All my raw meat is frozen until I am going to use it. I don't let it sit out or anything. If they don't eat within 10 minutes I take it away and get rid of it. When they are done I clean their bowls out and wash everything down with that Clorox Anywhere spray. I've never had a problem and I get LOTS of kisses from these two.
Good routine there. I don't know if I could do this with Buster, he is a picker... meaning he doesn't eat right away. He will nibble hear and nibble there. I feed him the same time everyday, but he is a nibbler I guess I would be more worried about my son trying to touch the food or the dog kissing him right after he eats it. But would it be okay as an occassional thing... or would it just really mess up his diet.... Don't mean to sound stupid. but my childhood dog was feed Alpo and table food that's it.
If you wanted to give him some raw food or bones, you really can't mix it with kibble. You could give him kibble in the morning, then raw later that night if you wanted to, but not at the same time. Mixing it will give him diahrrea because they don't digest the two foods at the same rate.
I'd suggest starting him with some beef marrow bones. You can get that at any grocery store or butcher. If they are large ask them to cut them small for your dog. There is nothing that can splinter because the bone is too hard to eat, so tehy just try and get the marrow out. Its good for cleaning teeth too.
Beef Marrow bones.. cool sounds like a nice treat. Last night Buster had some carrotts with me.. he loves them. How much do they normally charge you for them.... not that it really matters much, but Hubby might contest to the dog eating better them him.
Dogs digest raw much quicker while kibble stays in their stomach and system much longer.
Kibble is cooked to the point that any bacteria is cooked out of it while raw could have bacteria still in it.
That in its self is not a worry since they digest it so quickly the bacteria doesn't harm them; however, when you mix raw and kibble any bacteria in the raw will mix with the kibble that stays in their systems much longer and the bacteria will remain in their system as long as the kibble does. That is why mixing can cause digestive problems.
I feed kibble in the am as they are more active and have all day to digest it and raw in the pm so it will be digested before they settle in for the night.
I'm not out to start an argument here, but just want to put in my $.02 worth and say, IMO, it is not a good idea to mix kibble and raw. It may cause digestive upset due to the fact that it takes much longer for a dog to digest kibble than it does raw. Whether bacteria plays a part in a raw-/kibble-fed dog, I don't know... Bacteria is all around...I'm not convinced that it is completely "cooked out" of kibble. I know that salmonella (a type of bacteria) is present, at least in minute amounts, in a lot of dog-edible food, regardless of cooking.
The digestive enzymes in a dog's digestive tract are designed to process raw meat. It takes much longer for the enzymes to figure out they're breaking down kibble, rather than raw meat. So when you mix, IMO, you get "confused" enzymes.
Although I support a raw diet, I think mixing kibble and raw is not a good idea. Stick to one or the other.
What's really good for a canine's teeth is not so much gnawing on bones, as is ripping and tearing their way through tough, chewy meat. This process effectively washes, scrubs, polishes and flosses their teeth. Although they may scrape stuff off their teeth by having a go at a naked bone, there's too much risk of broken/cracked teeth to make it worthwhile. JMHO.
Fed appropriately, raw chicken bones are, by and large, safe. I wouldn't give dogs as big as yours separate chicken parts. For your dogs' sizes, I'd give them either a whole or, at least, half a raw chicken. One of the rules of thumb with prey-model is to feed something as large or larger than the dog's head. My 28-pound dog gets chicken quarters a lot, but never separated-from-the-body drumsticks, wings or necks.