I understand all the points of view here, it is true that unfortunately due to indiscriminate breeding and ungrateful pet owners, alot of dogs are being destroyed every year but I can see your dilemna as well. We can't always find what we desire in a shelter and if you are really keen on this puppy then go for it but please and I say please make sure that at the very least this breeder doesn't fall under the category of a puppy miller. I don't object to the byb who only breeds the odd litter of puppies and they are raised as part of the family and the breeding stock are only a couple of bitches and a stud and they are not caged....but if this breeder is indeed a miller I would give her the birdie I am sorry to say! I hope you realise the suffering that goes on in puppy mills and if not maybe you should look into this and don't add to this suffering by buying these puppies, man when will justice take its course and these mills and pet shops be a thing of the past!

I don't blame you for having your heart set on a particular cross though and if it is not from a puppy miller then all the very best on your purchase and post some photos.

If you want to find info on them online all you need to do is to type in maltichon in your google browzer.



Here is a link:


http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/maltichon.htm



***Edited By: Saralee on 10/27/2006 1:22:51 AM***
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im not looking for pitty in anyway- i could care less what really anyone has to say- i know im not buying a puppy from a puppy mill - never have.
I really dont think anything is wrong with a person that has a accidental pregancy to sell the pups. you all act like im calling around to every puppy mill looking for a dog-
and i surly didnt get bentley from a puppy mill either- and im still in contact with the lady i got bentley from-
i do think there is a big differnce between a byb and also a puppy mill. sorry i do.
i dont think some one that has a litter or two a year makes them a byb ( yes go ahead and repost again for the 100th time the if you do this then yup your a byb post ive seen so many times)
we live in a small area and i really dont think we have any puppy mills around here- none that ive ever heard of before.
there are listings all day long in the paper for mixed dogs and they want 1500+ for them i dont call these ppl thats out ragous for a mixed dog.
im paying 375 for this puppy which does include his wormings hes already had and also his first set of shots and there is a contract that i have to have her fixed which i planned on anyways.

also it was a misunderstanding about the 13 pound maltese my husband talked with her first and i had him ask how big the parents are. she said she assumed this pup would be about 10-13 pounds when grown as i was old about my bentley.

i do understand where everyone is coming from really i do and i have seen the puppy mill links on here and it breaks my heart- but thats not the places i get my pups from.
i wouldnt.
i get them from caring familys that they are raised inside with kids and ppl and dogs not out in a barn and forgotton.

and about the other forums i nver once said that approved of puppy mills in anyway- im saying that they arent all snotty because i come on there with a mixed breed . so bentley is half bichon and half poodle they dont tell me not to post there and that my dog is a mutt and all the other crap you hear on this forum-
there are alot of ppl out there that do have mixed breeds and im sure most on here from the little fancy names they call theirs im sure paid for them.
im surly not buying my dogs because of the fancy names or the silly names- i want them because i like the mix of the two breeds. and i thikn they are cute why else would you buy a dog?
so you think i should sit around nad wiat for years to come across the mix i want in the pound? again i have been and still am in contact with the rescues and also pound to update me if what im looking for comes threw and they do contact me.
so it isnt like im not trying to do the shelters first- i have and me and my kids always look on the website with the dogs but even the dog pound charges 200+ if they thikn they got a dog they can make money off of.
and also my daughter goes in every other weekend to walk to the dogs and help at the pound here in our area, also my work just dropped off 30+ comforters to the pound for the dogs to sleep in. we do what we can to help the pound in our area and also i have dropped off bags and bags of food that i got for bentley and he didnt eat instead of tossing it i dropped off bags and bags of it.
so we do see what comes threw the local pound and they do contact me they are gone as fast as they come in. and if there still was a mix that i wanted come threw i would surly give it a home.

crap i bought my rabbit does that count as byb? i got my cat for free from my aunt that has many litters running aorund outside montly- didnt buy him tho but im sure that falls under something also?
im not looking for any pitty im trying to make you all understand that im not some horrible person out snatching up all the mixed breed dogs from puppy mills ect- i check into the places i get my pups from and i do call ppl that has gotton pups from them. i dont kno wwhat else i can do

I'm sorry this is too pathetic for words. I am getting so tired of people whinning about how they are treated on this forum. For the last time NO ONE IS CONDEMING YOU FOR WANTING A MIXED BREED DOG!! The problem is where you are choosing to obtain your dog from. Lets be real here. You are spending $375.00 for a mutt! That is more than I purchased my corgi for ($350 in 1988). If you can't see why that is wrong.....there is no hope for you to understand.

By the way, I do have a MUTT Rott/Lab mix I got from a Yolo County Animal Control in California 10 years ago last month. In my household she is loved no less than the pure bred English Setter. (matter of fact DH loves her more)

"im surly not buying my dogs because of the fancy names or the silly names- i want them because i like the mix of the two breeds. and i thikn they are cute why else would you buy a dog?"

Oh, Tapetty! Please tell me you're kidding. From the statement above, it seems you are only buying a dog because it's "cute"? You should be choosing a breed based on multiple factors, not just 'cause it's cute.

I am just wndering if this is this is an accidental litter, is the breeder selling the pups on a spay and nueter contract?

$375 is *very* high for an "accidental litter".

Even if it was an accidental litter, it is my understanding that she is still breeding a dog that is extremely out of standard.

***Edited By: pope1982 on 10/27/2006 3:08:03 PM***
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It is a high price, I am sure as long as people pay it though she will continue to have "accidental" litters.

I know your going to do what you want of course, and thats your choice, but I just looked at petfinder and they have over 340 maltese and maltese mixes.From babys to seniors.If you want a mix wouldn't it be so much better to save one of these little guys than support a crappy breeder?

Corsomom, you're probably right..

You're paying $375 for a mixed breed from a breeder when you can possibly be getting the same cross from the shelter for much less?

Funny, just last month there was a Bichon Frise/Maltese mix at our shelter. I'm not kidding.

You're getting a mixed breed from a breeder. Like I've said many, many times before, NO reputable breeder would breed a MIX! Therefore, you are buying from an irreputable BYB.

Heh...you want a Bichon/Maltese mix because they are cute. Which breed of dog to buy should be based on a number of different things, such as activity level, grooming and exercise requirents, tolerance to kids and other pets, etc. etc, not because the dog is cute.

There are alot of people now who want a certain mix breed. If they are willing to pay for it and give it a good home in my opinion they are rescuing a dog. The shelters around here never have small dogs, Purebred or mixed. About all you can find are the large lab and shepherd mixes. Our shelter will not adopt out rotties and pitbulls. A friend of mine wanted a shihzu poodle mix and could never find one at a rescue or shelter. They had a waiting list. So she bought one from a breeder and paid $400 for her. She is a great dog and everyone is happy. By the way, she didn't want a shih-tzu or a poodle. So she got what she really wants. Why is that so bad. You are still saving a dog. If nobody bought puppies from these breeders think of the consequenses for the dogs ad puppies. This wasn't a puppymill by the way, these puppies were raised in this person's house and were well loved and taken care of.
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If nobody bought puppies from these breeders think of the consequenses for the dogs ad puppies.


if no one bought these puppies then maybe the fools who are breeding them would think twice about doing it a second or third time. i am sure they dont make money if they are stuck with puppies that dont sell. thats a pretty good consequence in my eyes.

so you think it is better for the pups to be pts or worse instead of somebody giving them a loving home.

If that's what the breeder feels he/she has to do with unwanted pups (euthanize), do you really want to get a pup from him/her?

I am not saying tha the breeder would euthanize, maybe if they were turned over to a shelter it might be a possibility. I don't think you understood what I meant. Even if you have to pay for a puppy that you really want. You are giving a puppy that is already alive a good home and know that that puppy is taken care of. Right now that seems to be the kind of dogs people really want and who are we to say they shouldn't get them.

Why should anyone be breeding these mixes? Did you miss where I said there are more than 340 on petfinder? What about those dogs that need a home?

Most people like to see where the dog comes from. If you buy them from an individual then you should be able to see the parents and where the puppies live. I don't believe i breeders that have puppymills,but oly one or 2 litters a year raised in the house I see absolutely nothing wrong with it

There are millions of dogs euthanised each year, So thats why I see alot wrong with it.

There are just as many purebred dogs being pts as there are mixed. It isn't just a case of the byb having to stop breeding but also the supposedly 'ethical' breeder that breeds a large number of litters per year, just cause they supposedly breed to a standard doesn't make them immune to the large number of dogs being destroyed every year; it is a tragic plight that so many unwanted dogs in shelters and pounds are being destroyed every day but then all breeders should stop, not just the byb.

I personally do not have time for puppy millers, they should be outlawed. It is good that you are all trying to educate people into trying to adopt a pup from a shelter but one cannot always find what one is looking for in a pound and if an individual has his or her heart set on a particular cross then so be it. There is a breeder not too far from where I live that breeds cavoodles, she has other breeds of dogs that have never been bred and they are all fixed, she only breeds 3 litters a year to different bitches. She has a long waiting list and only breeds when she already has homes waiting for the puppies and her cavaliers and poodles have all been health tested, they're part of the family and not kennelled outside, she sells them with a health guarantee and a contract that the dogs and bitches have to be fixed and they are then given back $100; she offers ongoing support and even provides boarding for the dogs she has sold and doesnt charge for the boarding except for the food and people are quite welcome to provide their own food if it consists of kibble.