I don't think that the dog looks angry... I think he looks... like a Beagle
Forreal? I think he looks mad about something. All the beagles I have seen have this happy, today is the best day nothing can go wrong, kinda look to them. Almost like they are thrilled to be alive and even a kid throughing a rock at them wouldnt get them down. they always seem to wag there tail too.
Sonjovan - The pic of my son laying w/Bagel was taken about 7 mths ago, and Bagel hadn't bitten him at that time. Now I know better.
And yes, I would definitely like to get a hold of the SOB who did this to him because this dog NEVER deserved any of that. Nor does any animal.
I'm happy to report that Bagel is still with us but just isn't the same. I think he's remorseful but I can't tell. This morning when I went to put him out, he was fine. When I left for work he was happily snoozing on his couch with his buddy, Kramer.
I did contact a behaviorist in my area and she's going to swing by sometime this week to help me with this issue.
Like I said before, I don't want to euthanize him but like someone else said, do I want to take the chance that this could happen again and maybe this time to one of my children? Absolutely not....it's a tough situation, one that I didn't create but am not sure that I am able to fix....
I think it's great you have contacted a behaviorist. I hope she can help little bagel. I do want to say that I would not blame you if you decide to put him down. I too have children and understand they come first. You are doing everything you can for him. You can rest easy knowing that.
I have 2 Beagle mixes and both of them are happy dogs - but they often have the same look that Bagle has... tired and somewhat sad... til you see them wagging their tail and begging for treats that is...
Stz - Thanks for the clarification on the pic with your son laying in him (not that you owe me an explanation...), I was just concerned.
I'm glad to hear that you contacted a behaviorist. I'll look forward to hearing what she has to say. I hope everything works out for the best...
A trainer told me once that it takes twice a long to overcome the abuse as it did to inflict it. That was after I rescued my Rott/Lab mix who was at that time 10 months old. She is now 11 years old. She has never bitten anyone but I know she has it in her.
I would not put up with a biting dog. It is not good for your son. It may turn him completely off of having a dog. You don't need a biter and scared child. You shouln't have to wonder every time you go near your dog is he going to bite me today? You shouldn't be afraid of your own pet.
stdogz, good luck with the behaviorist, i hope it works. But no matter what happens be proud that you tried everything within power to help bagel, that is honorable thing and you should be commended for it.
Well the behaviorist stopped by last night around 7pm - at the height of my evening routine with my son - of course!
I am glad she was there because she helped me a lot with Bagel.
First off, I love this dog more than anything. I really can't put my finger on exactly what it is that bonds us but even the behaviorist said that he favors me over everyone in the house. (yay me)
Anyway she said that he is definitely a fear biter. She did lots of temperment testing with him and he passed most of it. She went to put him on his back and he peed. I knew this - he's definitely a submissive urinator.
She also went to pick him up and he SCREAMED - didn't bite, just screamed. She was shocked at how badly this dog had been abused. Me too. I kind of wanted to shake her for making him cry but I KNEW she wasn't hurting him - he was just reacting so she would put him down. He NEVER BIT!
When she went to put his collar on him, she was bending over and he snapped. She immediately changed her posture to get to his level and called him over. He came over, crouched and licked her hand. :( Poor guy.....she then looked at his tail (never in his eyes) and he allowed her to put the collar on w/o incident.
So basically our option is to work on positive reinforcement with him. We have to NEVER look him directly in the eyes if we're asking him to do something - like sit for putting his collar on, etc. BUT we will work on the "Look" command b/c it teaches him that looking at me in the eye is a positive thing.
We are never to bend over him and make him *feel* threatened. Get to his level and then call him to you. Make him feel like he has the *upper hand* for a while. Always smile, always have a good treat for him whether it's a pat or cookie, something that makes him feel good.
Well, I tried it this morning and he had his little Bagel wiggle back. :) Yay!
I just knew I couldn't give up on this guy..........there is something about him and me that has just connected.
So there's the update. :) We're going to work with him and meet with the behaviorist in a month to see how we're all adapting. :) YAY BAGEL!!
Your last post brought tears to my eyes. It reminds me of all the work and love I put into Ripley. I wish you the best of luck! Please let us know how he is doing along the way. I, for one, have really become attached to his story! Nothing feels better than helping an animal overcome obstacles related to abuse.
Im a little late on this one but I wish I would have seen this a few months ago. We have many of the same beagle problems. Our little guy,Spartan, has had nothing but problems in his short life. He came from a breeder in MO. was shipped to a pet store in FLA., bought and then was brought back all the way along the east coast to michigan. Where he switched families 4 times before he came to us at the end of may when he was 5 months old. He was left alone in a basement with no food or water for 5 days while his owners traveled to california and then called someone to come get him. We believe he was abused and left alone much of the time. He is very self sufficient, enough that he knows how to open the refridgerator and help himself anytime he wants. There is no gate that can stop him, and he HATES to be left alone. He takes my childrens things and if he has something that he knows he shouldnt have hes very protective of it. He has bitten me and all of my kids, he hasnt bit anyone in at least 6 weeks, but on halloween he finally bit my husband, for scooting him out of the doorway. I am at a loss of what to do also. The past couple days we have made an effort to keep him with the family instead of his usual area of the kitchen, laundryroom and bathroom. We are trying very hard, It would break my heart to put him down, as well as my childrens. I feel like I have taken him on and we want to take care of him and love him the best that we can, I cant help it Im just a mom at heart. Let me know how your situation works out.
I am so glad the trainer was able to help you! You really do seem to love Bagel very much.
We had a cat that we took in as a stray. We knew she was living in the woods by our house several months before we got her. The point is this cat had some pretty severe back injuries from her previous owner. Is it possible there could be permanent damage to Bagel that causes him pain even when you are being gentle? I am referring to him screaming while being picked up- there might not be a broken bone but there could be something causing pain from an old injury. I know our cat (Maddie) would react if picked up or handled a certain way.
I am glad you are trying so hard to work this out with Bagel. Please keep us updated on his progress.
The dog whisperer had a couple that got a hound from a testing facilty. Poor guy had some problems, really timid.. One of the things they did to bring him confidence back was to play in the yard with him with raccoon urine on a rag.. The pee you buy in a bottle from a hunting place.. The put it on the rag and rubbbed the ground with it and then walked the dog by it, let him pick up the scent and made it a game.. Really perked him up and they made a fuss over it.. Wish you could have seen it..