I agree totally with Sonjavon. I wouldn't turn her away because of her age, and just because she has a one year old. Maturing while being pregnant and after can definately happen. I don't think it is fair for some people on here to comment on other people lives, and them being able to handle a dog and a one year old.
Get a grip poppy. It happens. My own mother and sister suck at being a pet owners. They rehome and rehome and let loose....
I suppose I am not supposed to tell them that what they do is cruddy either, or discourage the addition of a new pet?
Bippy has the right to inquire. Not everyone handles everything the same. Just because we keep our pets and take good care of them doesn't mean that other people have the same feelings towards them as we do. Alot of people, get dogs...get annoyed that the kid doesn't help take care of the dog (because as far as they understood it was supposed to be the kids dog) so they stick it outside 24-7. Or they take it for a "drive". Or, they just neglect it to death. Not so good things DO happen everyday, and Bippy is trying to be cautious, fair and responsible.
Bippy, love the site. Sherlock is such a handsome boy!
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Sherlock is one of my personal foster dogs and he is a my big butthead. He is so retarded and drools everywhere. He is definiltly from working lines as he has energy out the wazoo. Apparently here in Texas English Setters are not very popular dogs as we have had him 6 months with only one inquiry on him. Hopefully his forever home is coming soon. He needs lots of attention and is definitly a velcro dog.
I certainly don't blame anyone for being concerned and asking questions... I don't take it as a judgement and I respect her for being open to and even seeking out other opinions.
I think one of the things that possible threw her for a loop is the WAY that the applicant filled out the application... using terms like "she died with the puppy's in her tummy"... it sounds a little... juvenile. In the same respect, I remember when my son was 1, after having talked to him all weekend going into work and telling one of the ladies in the office, "I have to go potty now..." or just talking to people in "infant speak"... I used to smell "smoke" when I needed to go have a cigarette because I didn't want my son to know what I was doing... I remember being at work and telling my boss, "Hey, I'll be right back I need to go have a S-M-O-K-E." He looked at me and said "O-K-A-Y"...
4 months ago I filled out an adoption application to get Charley - and I answered about 4 pages of questions... "What behaviors will you not tolerate from a dog?" "What measured will your take to ensure that the dog does not do those behaviors", "How much are you prepared to pay for medical expenses per year?" "How much do you think a dog will cost you over the course of it's life?" "Where will you be in 10 years, will this dog have a place in your life then?" None of the questions bothered me... because I wanted not only to have the dog - but I wanted what was best for the dog.
Rescues have to make a choice. They can continually deny questionable families. Not give them a chance and not get their dogs adopted out---so they can rescue more.
The people WILL get a dog elsewhere, so they are stopping nothing.
Or they can give a pet a chance by giving the family a chance and help the family LEARN. Give follow up calls. It is more work--yes. However, then you are hopefully creating a GOOD pet owner for life.
If you turn some one away, it just sours them on the whole rescue process. Then they tell others and other people don't even try. They think 'if so-and-so couldn't get a dog, I am not going to bother'. Then they go to a no muss no fuss no questions asked petstore.
This is just my opinion-- but it is based on fact because I have heard it before.
I deny very few families and I actually have people compliment our group for the fact that we actually have some customer service (ie. we call people back do not act like every person must have no idea what they are talking about). We get lots of referals. The reason I usually deny people for are my gut feeling about them. Most people look great on paper since our application is pretty basic and I do not find out until later on that they lied about thier vet bacause they thought I would not call or that they have had 6 different pets in the past year. I am definitly not discriminating against her age since I am only 22. My sister is a mature 20 year old with a one year old daughter, but my sister has no time for one dog (much less two). This is a reascue and these dogs are my babies until I find them home. They live in my house and sit with me on the couch daily, sometimes for months. They will go to the perfect home for them and not just the first person to come along with the money. These dogs were already thrown away dogs and most have lived hard lives. Sorry if I am a little picky.
YOU get a grip POPE. You are plain RUDE> I never said there was anything wrong with her questioning the family wanting to adopt from her shelter. I do however think it is wrong to turn the girl away just because she has a one year old. Which is exactly what someone said. Oh she is 20 witha one year old so that means she isn't responsible or can't handle it. There are single mothers who work two jobs, have kids, and go to school and handle it all very well. Don't be so quick to comment. And Bippy, I am not saying you are too picky at all. I think it is great what you do and question the families who are wanting to adopt to make sure the dog is going to a good home. All I said was why turn her away just because she has a child.
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If the kid is part of the reason then why not meet the kid do a house check or something. I have been turned down for adopting dogs and when I ask if they reply back they say its beause I have 2 young kids and they dont want the kid hurting the dog. Each time I have offered to let them come into my house get to know my girls and watch them interact with animals Each time they said no I have also offered to bring the girls to them so they can see how they are around there animals each time they said no.
My girls are great with animals and thats not a easy thing to do when you have inlaws like mine. My sister in law once told olina to kick a dog because i took her cookie I got 50 kinds of mad. I took olina to the side explained the dog likes cookies to and no one tough the doggy how to ask first (she was 2 at the time) and I got her a new cookie. My sister in law said well the dog shouldnt have taken the cookie everyone but me and hubby agreed that it would have been ok.
the young mother thing didnt get to me (i had olina when i was 16), the having a kid didnt through me off eather just something about the whole thing didnt see right. I agree that if you can yo ushould look into things more and talk to her. I didnt think of that but usualy no one bothers to talk to me when i fill one out I eather get a no or I dont hear back from them.
I love yur page but i have to know. Why are the PB and Small dogs 150 when the large mutts are 125?
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Also Pope just because your mother and sis aren't good pet owners doesn't make every young mother a potentially bad pet owner. Where do you get off saying since they are bad pet owners you shouldn't tell them so? I never said for Bippy to not question her. And I didn't say just because she is a young mother to give her the dog. She needs some education on dogs first and foremost Bippy is in a good position to do that. Geeze. Some people.
We can charge a higher adoption fee for PB and small dogs because people are willing to pay more. Our adoption fees are way low anyways. The fees do not even begin to cover the vetting we do (like HW treatment which is $200 a pop, and 60% of our dogs need it) It helps relieve other costs somewhat. No one complains since the purebred and small dog rescues charge upwards of $250.
Also I would not be denying her just for having a small child but for many other reasons. Like she did not even know her last dog was pregnant (it was a chi for God's sake). Plus her current pet is not neutered and is most likely not a breeding quality dog nor is she an ethical breeder.
I am not saying I am denying her since I have not talked to her or done a vet check even yet to see if her dogs are currently vetted. I will let you guys know what happens with this.
Bippy - I'm sure you'll make the right decision. I respect that you've been willing to listen to other points of view.
Poppyrice - having been one of those Single mom's who worked multiple jobs, took care of my child, balanced everything and owned a dog... yes, it's possible. However, I can't imagine having tried to train a puppy along with all of the rest of those things. My dog was several years old and trained by the time my kiddo came along. I certainly would not have blamed a rescue for turning me down if I had applied to adopt a dog.
However, this person doesn't appear to be a single mom - there is a male (25) living in the home. I think the bottom line is that Bippy has said she will ask more questions and then make her decision. I don't think that she was going to turn her down for her age, for the fact that she has a child, or really, even based on the fact that she had a dog who died due to lack of education in dog reproduction... but the whole application leaves a lot of questions to be asked...
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You gave your snappy little judgemental post which fueled mine. If you didn't get your thoughts down properly, that is not my fault you are unable to elaborate. That post sounded more then a little defensive and accusatory.
"Where do you get off saying since they are bad pet owners you shouldn't tell them so?"
Exactly. Which is why I mean what I say, and I say what I mean. I should hold my tongue because it makes someone like YOU feel like I am being rude?
"You are plain RUDE" You are plain clueless.
I've got my feet on the ground, but you appear to have a giant one year old child sized chip on your shoulder. Open your eyes, close your mouth and maybe learn a thing or two.
Your attempt to "school" me on the behavior differences between my family and the rest of the world is laughable. I seem to remember trying to explain to you that not everyone handles everything the same way. So either you are not getting what I am saying, or what I am saying is clicking somewhere deep inside of you brain...you just think they are your own thoughts. Hey, whatever works. Glad to see you have jumped out of that defensive little box and that you are finally able to socialize with the rest of us. Your last post was almost free of hostility.
I think one of the main things about the application replies that bothered me at first was the apparent lack of depth to anything said. Then after thinking about it I realized, I know many people who simply adore their pets and animals in general and would go to any length to see them healthy and safe but they are not "people" people. They can express anything to a dog but when you try to get them to converse with a human they sort of lose something. They are educated and have common sense but if you read something they've written you come away wondering if they passed high school English class. Call her, do a home visit and more than anything else watch how she interacts with her dog, her child, her parents, and with your dogs (if you let her meet your dogs). At least you'll be sure one way or the other if you dodged a bullet or missed a great opportunity.
Well, I have been doing this a long time, I do tend to get a 'feeling' about things pretty quickly. There were MANY things that threw up red flags for me in the application. I also have a 'questionnaire' I give out to any interested people. And as I put on the form...there is no right or wrong answer, I only ask that you be honest and upfront with me so that we can help in placing the right pup for your family.
I then address every answer that is of concern by additional questions, education, suggestions to see if that will shed any additional info, or clear up any problems I originally saw.
Some may have found it inappropriate to place this here to be read, but the OP did remove poersonal info, its not like we can all see who it is now. Also, those giving their opinion....that is what an open forum is about, ...opinions, so no worries.
Talk about laughable Pope. How was my FIRST post in any way snappy. That's pretty funny. I said I don't think some people on here should be so quick to judge someone because they are young, or have a young child. Point blank. Then you tell me to get a grip. What is it I need to get a grip on exactly? Because I said I don't think someone should judge someone soley on them being young or having a young child? I am not talking about anything else on the application that has red flags, I was stating people should not just say deny the woman because she is young with a child. I have a 4 year old and a 1 year old and a dog and cat. So since I had to train my dog, and work full time and balance two kids, I know it CAN be done. I never said it couldn't be done. So let this CLICK in your brain! And where is the back pedaling coming from? Where did I back pedal? You just read a newspaper or something and learn a new word? I have been on this forum a little while now and this is the first time I have had a disagreement with someone. So don't tell me to shut my mouth, cause I do not have to. You blew everything out of proportion with your first post, telling me to get a grip. HAHA oh well. I will try to learn something since it seems you know everything and my brain just doesn't click.