i know i know i know- what im setting myself up for by asking for some help here. but i know know at of coarse a price what buying a puppy from a breeder byb or other wise isnt the best thing.. ive not been wanting to post and still i am resentful to do so. my husband keeps pleading with me to post and find out if any one can help- i told him that no one likes me and will say i got what i had coming to myslef for buying this puppy but i hope all bickering aside and the i told you sos that some one can please maybe help- ok we got daisy last friday brought her home seemed fine stools were alittle loose but not that bad- later that day and the rest of this week it turned to runny water diarrhea, yes i took her to the vet first thing monday morning to make sure she was ok and in good health. had a coccidia and also a eye infection and malnurshed a tad the vet said- put her on meds. i called the vet back thursday and told her the diarrhea hasnt got any better so she switched her meds and told me to give her kapokate. but then put her on some other anti ddirrhea meds instead which of coarse hasnt helped. the vet told us to call her this morning if not better and bring her in and she will go back over things to see if something was missed- well this morning daisy poops her normal diarrhea and this morning there is red blood in it. not all blood but enough to notice. im waiting for the vet to call- ok she called im taking her in at 10 this morning- she acts fine eats like a horse plays with bentley. pees normal and drinks water. she isnt throwing up. she gets tired out pretty quick and does take alot of naps and seems to be fine and hungry when she wakes up. wanting to play. or she will eat and go back to bed for alittle while. 'now when i got her she did have her first parvo shot by the lady i got her from and worming and something else im not sure- my husband called the lady we got her from this morning asking her if any of th eother pups she sold or still had were/are sick and told her about the coccidia and her eye infection- she seems very concerned and said no we havnet had any problems with this liter. but do you really thihnk she wold of told me the truth now shes scared- my husband told her we have a 11 month old pup and if anything happens to him he is going to be *ist and we would call her back after her appt today. ive been crying all morning and have alot this week. my husband is irrate of coarse that this is happening to this poor pup and of coarse we will pay for what ever it takes to get her well i just hope it isnt something that cant be treated. i cant stop shaking and crying i did ask the vet on thursday if it could be parvo and she told me no- just because she has diarrhea doesnt make it parvo and she isnt throwing up . and you would know by her poop i guess the smell is horrid and you would know well her poo is very nasty but i guess puppy poo. does any one knwo of what this could be? what can cause this? i feel my vet should of caught what ever this was when i brought her in monday. instead of letting it get to this point. my husband says she looks not well today but was fine this morning playing like normal and eating. and then the poop and now she is sleeping. please i dont need i told you so right now- believe me i know this is the worst mistake i have made and i dont want this poor girl to suffer but she would of been sick there at least i hope she has a chance with treatment. has this happened to any one? now parvo would i know right away if it was this? would the vet know? also bentley is all up to date on all shots even his kennel cough will he be protected agaisnt whatever this maybe? parvo? i keep thinking its parvo and im going to lose my little girl and the vet keeps reasurring me that she doesnt think it is at all the signs would be differnt.
please pray for her, i do every night.. believe me i have learned a valuable lesson here and will never take anything at face value again or trust some one i dont know- im sure she knew that the pups had coccidia- and she asks my husband if we took her to the vet well of coase we did the next day the vet was opened got her on friday evening and monday she was at the vet- please help.... theresa
Constant diarrhea and straining will cause the bowels to bleed.... I know this first hand...
The good things are she's still playing and eating and drinking and no vomiting.
Keep her on the bland diet...
Also I would probably have bently treated too if it is coccidia.
Thoroughly clean any area where the infected dog may have been. A solution of eight ounces of bleach mixed with one gallon of water should be sprayed on the area and allowed to sit 20 minutes. Rinse the bleach solution thoroughly with water and allow to completely dry before returning any dogs to the area.
Grassy areas exposed to the infected dog should be isolated for at least a month before allowing any dogs to return to them.
***Edited By: LuvsTalMen on 11/4/2006 9:27:02 AM*** Reason: added
thank you for some help- so just the boiled hambuger and rice? im so upset and cant wait till her appt in 1/2 hour. i just hope it isnt something that she can and will die from. i feel like ive failed this puppy some how - i want to go to a differnt vet and see if they can find somethng else wrong. i was just reading more info on coccida and it said in advance state it can cause bleeding in bowels and very runny almost watery diarrhea, so if anything please just let it be this and it can be corrected. she is such a loving little puppy. but yes she is still eating and loves to eat all day if you let her. and she does drink i make sure i walk to her to the water bowl. with her having bad diiarhea should i feed her when ever she is hungry? it seems to come out the other end but i forgot to ask the vet but i will today. i will post when i get home and let you know what it is and whats being done- thanks again for not saying i told you so.. really i feel bad enough right now i dont need that just help figuring out whats wrong wtih daisy
Yep, that's what I was going to say...an irritated bowel or rectum will show blood; the main thing here is this: you are taking the pup to the vet and trying to get this taken care of; for that, NO ONE can ding you. I've known too many people that hem and haw around while the pet suffers because they don't want to spend some money. Doesn't sound like parvo at all to me; pups with that nasty sickness are just miserable, and (this sounds gross, but it's true) if you sniff their butt it has a musty "squirrelly" smell. Did you change the puppy's diet when you brought it home? Please let us know what the vet says today; you and your pup are in my thoughts. No blame here; I'm just glad you are a responsible owner taking care of the pup.
you are probably on your way to the vets now so there isnt much i can help you with at this point. i hope things go well at her vet visit and the vet doesnt find anything seriously wrong. like i had said to you the last time, while i may vehemently disagree with where you got your pup, i would never hold that against your pup and i would do anything i could to help you if it is something i can help with.
please post how the visit went and what meds the vet has put her on. good luck !
I doubt it's parvo as well, given the fact your pup has worms and coccidia, the bleeding is likely from that. Dogs with parvovirus act lethargic and listless, don't want to move around, sleep a lot... and i know this is gross but when the diarrhea gets really bad it can look like ketchup.
Regarding coccidia and Bentley, if you read up on it, you'll know that it's estimated 75% of all adult dogs have the coccidia bacteria in their digestive tracts... it's just that older dogs have strng enough immune systems to fight off the effects. As Bentley is healthy already, I'm sure he'll be fine... it's just puppies don't have the immune systems to fight off stuff like that.
Yogurt is a "pre digested" food item which is easy on the puppies stomach and it will replenish any natural flora/fauna depleted by long term diarrhea and meds. Yogurt is also a good source of nutrients.
A tablespoon twice a day at least if she will eat it.
Hi, has her poop looked slimy or any green tint to it? That would indicate Giardia which also causes those symptoms. Most vets don't test right away for that. there is also a bad doggie flu going around. Like everyone has said the playing and eating and drinking is good. I would also ask the vet about Canine ID. This has always been good for our dogs along with the hamburger and rice. My vet also highly reccomends "Acidopholis" an herb that can be purchased at a health food store. It has helped with many symptoms and even allergies.
Good luck with your baby and so sorrry you have to go through this.
I gave Stryder a tiny bit of yogurt in with his food to help his coccidia. Also a bit of pumpkin every now and then. He really didnt grow that much for awhile.. then just started sprouting. Now he's gigantic!! LOL.
Hope Daisy gets better soon. It doesnt sound like parvo, like everyone else has said it's probably because of all the pooping.
The gang sends their loves and snarfles and licks and kisses to you and Daisy!
***Edited By: MericoX19 on 11/4/2006 11:40:53 AM*** Reason: added
The coccidia by itself can cause bloody poo. Also, some times you need to treat for coccidia for a FULL 21 DAYS!!! That will kill an entire life cycle of it. They don't always stop having diareah for a while.
I dont' know how big your puppy is, but for a 5-10 pound puppy 1/4 TEASPOON of Pepto Bismo up to 2-3x per day will help with the diareah.
The other things are the worms. I think if whip worms. Not to mention Giardia like some one else mentioned. VETS DON'T ALWAYS FIND GIARDIA the first time. As others I highly doubt Parvo, and would recommend treating your other older pup for what ever you treat your new puppy for.
Unless it is Parvo (what again I doubt), parasites are highly treatable, even if it does take a little while.
Chicken is better then hamburger. it has much less fat which can contribute to the diarrhea and is easier to digest. Mix 50% cooked chicken with 50% rice. It works great on all kind of diarrheas. Yogurt is good, but you can get the probiotics in it in a liquid or powder form. It is cheaper and better, especially if you have to treat a whole litter. I get it in a powder form. Sprinkle it on their food and let it sit. 15 min latter, the food turn in to liquid. Great staff.
I recently had a litter with coccidia. I ran out of albon, so I fed them all chicken and rice with probiotics until the new meds arrived. By the time I started them on albon few days later, the diarrhea was already gone.
As was mentioned, most dogs have those parasites but show no signs. Where you got the dog makes little difference. Even if your dog was free of parasites when you got it, it could have easily picked it up form virtually anywhere.
Just because the vet saw worms and coccidia in the stool test, it doesn't mean there was nothing else. It could have other parasites that are easy to miss. She knows it, but canít exactly tell you that. So she made an educated guess and gave you one med to try. She know that in a worse case scenario, you will be back with some more cash for farther tests, treatments and meds as you probably starting to figure out. If the dog dies, she can always blame the terrible breeder you got it from.
This is why I do not bother with vets anymore. They are useless in identifying the cause of most diarrheas and often prescribe the wrong med.
I got my own drug cocktail that I give to pups with diarrhea which works every time. It takes out the guess work.
Juno- I agree, not to mention, I know what is an issue in my soil. I start off with a worming program that has been working for me (Pyrantal Pamoate/fendbendazole alternating). So if they have diareah, I first suspect coccidia-- which you can usually tell by the distinct awful smell. Because the fendbendazole takes care of Giardia, the albon usually is all they need (for coccidia) and they are fine with in a day or so--because I am catching it early.
I now send albon standard with my puppies, because even though they may be fine at my house, there is a high likelihood that particularly shipping, or even just a the stress of going to a new home can cause the coccidia to over-ride their intestines again.
No, I don't buy Albon off the internet, simply because I have never been able to find the pills. So they are all from the vet. I have an open prescription on them. Both of my vets know this has been an issue at my house more than once. They don't make me test for it any more :)
Could your pup have eaten something to give it a bowel obstruction? We once had an English Bulldog pup that developed bloody diarrhea. After all else failed I gave him nothing but water for 24 hours then started him on rice cooked in chicken broth. Sure enough, here came a large ball of hay! He had been sneaking out to our fields and eating horse poop! As soon as he passed the obstruction, we kept him on rice and chicken for a week then he was fine! Hope things go well!
***Edited By: termite on 11/4/2006 2:38:27 PM*** Reason: misspelled a word
well things i guess are better then hoped. the vet first talked to me about parvo and then corona and thought maybe it was corona and talked to me about it. as i sat there and cried, she thought maybe testing for hook worms i think she mentioned. but really no other symptoms just the very watery diarrhea and this morning red blood with it. i did bring in a stool sample and they were checking it again thinking maybe this coccida isnt going away which could cause all this diarrhea and blood. she now weighs almost 3 pounds which when we were in on monday daisy weighed 2 pounds 15 oz i think it was. they gave her a IV to put more fluids in her for the weekend. and then of coarse the lady went right threw both sides of her skin and its coming out all over her, and then she re did it , boy i didnt know that the fluid would come out when the needle was removed but it was. kinda scary but happens every time she told me. then the stool sample came back and tons and tons of the coccida. she told me the first time there was a few "whatevers" and now the hole screen thing was full. so the coccidia isnt going away and has gotton way worrse. but exsplained to me coccida will do that one test will show hardly anything and the next it will be all over the screen. so the vet is going with the coccida still being the problem. switched back to the first antibotics and we have the one meds for diarrhea she still wants me to give her. and this special dog food low residue food is what its called and also the hamburger and rice but i am going to do white chicken and rice here shortly. so back to where we started. how come they dont take a blood test to see if they can see anything else? its not at all im fishing for any other kind of trouble with her but i want this to be the right thing and not keep treating something that inst the real cause. she is very play ful now the vet said she would with the extra fluid they pumped into her. so i hope this is the cause and we hopefully can kick it in the butt this time. i dont know why it isnt going away? i do clean up her mess right away and she is clean and all her blakets and beds are cleaned daily. ive taken off the last 4 days of work to be home with her so she didnt have to sit in the diarrhea all day till i get home from work. i do thank you all for the kindness i was scared to even get back on and read what was posted. believe me you dont need to say it i already know whats in your minds and dont think i dont tell myself daily now i should listen better to what ppl tell me instead of being bull headed. i think im paying dearly with tears, emotions and money for this decession to get this pup. believe me i wont be so willing to take ppl at their words and believe what they tell me. daisy is going on 11 weeks old so still pretty young . at least shes gained alittle weight in the week ive had her. a few of my friends/co workers and my family told me today to take her back and get my money back- they said you have only had her a week and look at all the money you have had to pay. im sure these ppl would probbaly have her pts because they couldnt make any money off her by selling her and i would never give her back i dont care if i had her one day, and i love her as if had her 10 years already. i guess her being so sick really puts a bond between a animal and a person that cares for the pet. my husband is calling the lady we got her from when he gets home from work today , she of coarse acts all worried about the pup but im sure she isnt. this coccida must be some pretty bad stuff and yes i have read alot about it on the internet over this past week. and reading it can be pretty bad but i just had a feeling something was really wrong with her and thought it would be sometihng that was way worse . since she was being treated for coccida already i thought since the diarrhea hasnt gotton any better it had to be something she over looked. maybe there still is and that will be in the back of my mind every day while were going threw this . its so nice to see her so play ful and playing with bentley she normally plays and then gets tired out pretty qucik and sleeps a few hours here and there. but shes ate already and playing and doenst seem tired. so just maybe something has kicked in. they did give her a double dose of this antibotic while we were there today and im to give her the prefilled syringe of the antibotics for 4 more days. some one posted 21 days coccida needs to be treated? why is she only giving me 4 days when this bad? again i thank you all and believe me i know how hard it must of been for a few of you to bite your tounges and not say what you really wanted to say. i thank you all for your kindness, i kick myslef in the butt so believe me your words wernt unheard... theresa
Please don't be so down on yourself! I am not judging you except to say you really seem to care and love for your puppy.
Coccidia is fairly common in puppies and there are different courses of treatment for it. Basset had it herself and shared many of the same symptoms: Tired after play, low appetite, bloody stools etc. She was on a 10 day antibiotic treatment and at the end we needed to bring another stool sample to make sure it was gone-luckily it was.
The chicken and rice is an easy bland diet that your dog should enjoy. If your dog isn't taking in enough water then add some to the meal before serving (make it a bit soup like). Yogurt in small amount will help put friendly bacteria back in the gut which the medicine is taking out. You could also try a small amount of pumpkin puree (not pie mix) to help firm the stools. I had to give both these things to basset and she did have loose stools for a while even after the meds were done.
It talks about bloody stools and other important info.
Please keep us updated and if you can post some pics!
I will add that once basset got over her coccidia she was perfectly fine and healthy. She is still growing like a weed and suffered no ill effects from the illness. Here are a few pics of her and her sister beagle.