let's not get the gunny on going on matters of patriotism either. cause as i sit and talk on tis site i am "standing the watch". so, i do have a right to say you are wrong and i am right. but i will give my life so you may have the same right.
rednosered is right about a lot of that most of the working breeds don't work or have the instinct to do so any more. A few do but most not. And how many that were breed for rodent and vermin control do that now.
alot of dogs still work. the work hass changed. instead of retieving a dead bird that a hunter shot. it retirieves a purse for a special needs person. dogs are still used to herd on farms all over the world. last i heard the iditirod race is held every year. police are still using dogs to catch bad guys. scent hounds are now search and rescue dogs and drug sniffers. people are still using guide dogs. people are using the working instinct for sport now. and i am sure ther are dogs all over the world are owned for rodent control. not every country is advanced as america
The truth is that rodents and vermin aren't nearly as bad now as they were when the terrier breeds were created. I mean honestly, back in the day few houses were without rats or mice in the barn, sheds, and wooden homes. There weren't mousetraps or decon. People used cats and dogs for the job. Nowdays, houses are built more securely to prevent these pests from getting inside, and when they do come in they don't stay long once people notice them.
and that's what i came up with off the top of my head. don't worry folks we aren't going to ruin anything. we just are not that important. when nature wants us gone, will be gone. we are not hurting the breeds, nor the planet ,or the whales, or the snails. we are a mere surface nusance, a bad case of fleas and when mother nature wants us gone. were getting the dip. the planets fine, the people are in trouble.
Maybe I am wrong about this but from the breeders that I know of.....if there are any health problems in the dog that is being bred/studded that dog WILL NOT be bred simply to try and stop genetic health problems.....how is that making them less healthy??? I don't know very many Backyard breeders who will not breed a dog because of that. Also you say that show breeders just breed for beauty, but (other than accidental) don't most backyard breeders take two dogs that they think are "cute" and breed them because they will have "cute puppies together"??? I am talking purebreds and Mixed breeds both.
I said that not all of them can do the jobs they were first breed to do. How many boxers do you know that heard now and say the Chow was used for hunting, herding, pulling. All I am saying is times have changed and most show animals have been breed for that, show.
It's really sad what's happening to dogs in the world,these dogs are ruined. Most dogs that where bred for a purpose no longer work that purpose any longer. Sorry to affend any one,but show dogs are useless.All they are good for is to look pretty. These dogs have no drive at all. For get about doing any kind of wieght pull,schutzhund,or tracking work.
rednosered you are wrong about all show dogs being useless. Many newfoundlands are champion or pointed, and they also have the WD or WRD that shows they're water rescue dogs. Many also have draft dog titles as well. There are champ Rottweilers that are herding certified and tested (boxers were never used as herding dogs, its rotts that were). Pharoah hounds, greyhounds, whippets, and other sighthounds are lure coursers. The lesser known spaniels like clumber, field, sussex and welsh springer spaniels are used for hunting trials. What I'm trying to say is that there are many people who show and also try to maintain the purpose to which their dog was bred. This was one of the reasons we chose the Newf as our future breed, because we wanted a dog that had stayed true to it's origins. I think that it's up to the breeders to encourage this behavior. I think few hunting breeds have strayed as far from their origins as american cocker spaniels. Those dogs are a joke in general and may as well be added to the 'non-sporting' group. However there are still rare breeders who do actually hunt with their show cockers. I think the issue is, it takes a LOT more work to do conformation showing and performance events. Unfortunately most breeders aren't willing to put the effort into it.
Hello! Has everyone forgotten some of the most widely used dogs for herding are still used more then ever.....Australian Cattle Dogs and the always loved Border Collie......I live by MANY farmers who all use their herding dogs......most of them are show dogs!
Honestly I wish that it was possible but the simple truth is that things have changed a lot in the past 50 years. Fewer people hunt so there's less use for hunting dogs (some people are adamantly against hunting!), there are fewer farmers that are helping feed more people than ever before on as little land as possible, so there's less chance for herding dogs to work. What good are wolfhounds and deerhounds in our society as working dogs? There's fewer vermin overall so there's less need for working terriers, and of course, dog fighting is illegal so how to you make the buldogs, bull terriers and mastiffs into 'working dogs'? People use cars, planes, trains, boats, etc to transport goods instead of dogs used traditionally to cart. What do dogs loose if they aren't as good at what they are bred to do, but are still beloved family pets? What's hte difference between having that dog at home doing nothing related to the purpose for which it was bred, or having it in a show ring doing nothing related to the purpose for which it was bred? Neither accomplishes much in preserving the duty to which the dogs were bred. I think it's the owners responsibility to try and cultivate their dog's individual talents, whatever they may be.
Pit Bulls where bred as fighting dogs ,which now is a felony. So now they wieght pull,therapy dogs ,SAR dogs,schutzhund , and agility. Things can be done.Something.I'm dead set against the voilent sport of hog hunting for the bull breeds.