This is the proposal. Now this is going to help me and possibly others decide what we are going to feed. So if ytou are going to particpate, you must see it through to the end. I am a huge fan of RAW, but some people have made me wonder. Is it really that good?
Some people swear by kibble. Some people hate it.
Well it's time to put the rubber to the road.
I am proposing. We do an experiment. I am putting 2 of my 4 dogs on raw. and the other 2 on kibble. today!!!!
Now the test starts on January 1 and goes till 1 april. I am going to log noticable differences in the dogs. Try to rule out other causes, and link them to the food. then on 1 april I am going to do blood work. then switch the food. note any changes over the next 3 mos. and again more blood work.
This is going to cost $$$$. But I am doing it. I challenge anyone else to join me.
***Edited By: gunny on 11/22/2006 9:00:31 PM*** Reason: s
i only have one dog but i will do it if you need somebody.kane eats pedigree he weights 104lbs.hes a rottweiler/boxer mix.then you can see the differnce in differnt types of dog food.if you like of course here is kane
gunny what is it that you have read or been told that is not so good about going completely raw ?
scout and salty go ape for raw food. i went out and bought some froen raw diet for them with the intentions of only feeding it to them once or twice a week. i am not 100 ercent comfortable switching them completely to raw, plus it is costly to do it for their sie and i admit i am jut a little too on the lay ide to do it properly. but they lvoe it so much that i do just give them stuff a couple days here and there. i bought turkey necks for them the other day and with one each, they didnt eat another thing all day. all their choice as they had food offered to them at night but i guess the one neck apppeice satisfied them for the day.
No, Minniyar brought up some good points about RAW. The reasons that I am so excited about RAw was the immediate results. That same reason raised suspicion in Minniyar. I think she had something with that. it made sense to me. That maybe the immediate results were flashly but not really anything worthy. Most of us, take what other people or organizations who have special interests word for it. People like myself try something else, but with what proof. I would just like proof. I talk all this jazz about how great raw is. But without any real facts. So, I think we need to experiment.
My boy is completely raw fed (whole-prey model diet) with just a salmon oil supplement (for O3s) and has never been healthier, happier, or handsomer.
He was raised to one-year-old on raw, then I bought him and talked the breeder (who wanted to continue to show him) into switching to kibble (at that point, I was "Raw? YUCK!"). After a year or so on what I believed was (and is) quality kibble (Precise Plus, recommended by his breeder), I saw lethargy set in, his eyes lose their mischievous sparkle, his weight rise, and his stool increase by leaps and bounds, although it didn't, to the naked eye anyway, cause any health problems. He never did get his championship, and the breeder gave up on getting it. I switched him back to raw. Much better, in all respects, within weeks. He's been back on raw for about a year now, lookin' good and bein' healthy.
no gunny i dont drink lol .. but i did make an awful amount of typos didnt i ? is that why you asked ?
well maybe minniyar needs to re type what she wrote to you or maybe you can link to the thread in this one because i missed it. i know quite a few people who do feed raw only ... no kibble. they have been doing it for awhile, not just with their dogs but with theire cats too, and have nothing but the most positive things to say about it and their dogs all look very healthy to me from the outside. though this is a topic of huge debate at work because a few of the vets are completely against it. one of the vets i value what she says tremendously and she happens to be against it completely.
I tried the raw diet and I love it, but I will not ever do it again. My one female got salmanella (spell?) from it. I bought the chicken necks from a very, very reputable dealer that is a holistic dog food and product retailer. Her reputation is incredibly GREAT, but after almost losing my female to salmonella, raw diet will never be tried with my dogs again. After almost $800.00 in Vet fee's to get her back to health, I just cannot justify ever going back to it. But I think it is an AWESOME diet for those that want to try it. My other 8 dogs loved it, their poo was white and dry because their bodies were getting everything they needed, the adding vitamins, veg and fruits along with the diet were very confusing at first, but you learn as you go and with a good mentor, it comes easy enough. Just, the scare of that happening to my one female cured me from ever trying the raw diet again. I still give tripe, cooked boneless fish, canned mackerel, oxtail bones and wing tips that I buy from the grocer. But I cannot go through that scare again. She was sooooooooo horribly ill for over 3 weeks. But like I said, the raw diet is great for teeth, body, physically and mentally. They did not get 'wolfish' and aggressive. they just LOVED breakfast and dinner like maniacs.
Hm. I have no idea what it is that I said is the only problem lol.
I do know that you get immediate results visually with raw food mostly because raw food is higher in fat than most kibbles, even high quality kibbles. More fat = more oils in the body = shinier coat and skin that is less dry.
I also think that it's the long term effects we don't know really know. There've been multiple studies done on dry food kibbles, hundreds, maybe even thousands of studies... but how many real studies have been done on raw food? None to my knowledge.
I think your idea to try both kibble and raw have a lot of merit, gunny, but I also think that a real study would have to be done over the lifetime of multiple dogs, not over a few month's time. And record keeping... should everyone be feeding the same raw diet and the same kibble? Should you keep records of your dogs bowel movements (since some proponents claim that the dogs poop less?)
Yes I agree, what you are doing is a great idea but I would test them for longer than 3 months, maybe 8-12 months in order to get a more definite result?
I prefer RAW and would never think of feeding kibble again, when they were fed kibble the poo stunk and they were nowhere near as healthy as what they are now. I like to know exactly what I am feeding and besides which I am sceptical about claims made by the pet food makers, let's face it I don't think that they are using premium grade meats and nearly all kibble is high in grains and cereals as they act as fillers and the quality used would not be fit for human consumption, also the meat used is known as 'by-product' which in itself tells me plenty, lol.