If you only have $30 a month leftover after bills, then you can't afford to have pets. Emergencies come up all the time, not to mention the day-to-day expenses of having a pet and basic vet care that has to be provided. If you can't afford to give them basic vet care, you shouldn't have pets. You mentioned keeping the puppies other than giving one to your neighbor and grandmother - if you can't afford to even spay and neuter the two you have then you certainly don't need any more to take care of. Even if you don't have to pay for a c-section, you are still going to need to pay for three rounds of vaccinations (puppies should be vaccinated at 6, 8, and 12 weeks...yes, toy breeds should stay with their mother until 12 weeks). Vaccinations are usually about $50 a puppy each time. You could have spayed and neutered your dogs three or four times by the time you get done paying for these puppies (that is if you actually provide the basic care they need).
I'm sure if you really want you could find some registry out there that will register your dogs...there are a lot of crappy ones that will register any dog off the street for a fee.
I don't usually post on this board anymore or visit, but I just happened to stop by and seen this post & thought I might be able to help. 1st of all I never heard of a rescue not spaying/neutering a dog before placing it, but that is besides the point. You asked about registering your dogs and the pups but you can't and that really isn't important right now - you have more important things to worry about. You have to be prepared for these babies coming. Here are some useful links on whelping that you must read. Print them out and keep them in your whelping area.
As a lot of others have said, raising a litter of pups and a possible c-section is VERY EXPENSIVE! So just try to be prepared as much as you can. Another idea that I don't think no one has mentioned is take responsibilty now for the future of these pups. I am not being mean either, mistakes happen, some people aren't dog nuts like a lot of us on these message boards and some don't know as much about animals and reproduction. But take responsibility when you place these pups in there new homes, interview the people/buyers and make up a contract that they MUST spay/neuter the pup before 6 mos. old. That way at least you are doing your part to not contribute more to the dog overpopulation later. Because people will come along and see your purebred pups for sale without papers at a cheaper price and the light bulb will come on in their ignorant mind and think "hey I can make some easy money by breeding this dog later - hey at $150 a pup I can easily make $700!". So please don't take offense to my advice it isn't meant to be offensive it is meant to help you, your dogs, the future of your unborn pups and the entire breed!
"I didn't "breed" them. I was at school and my husband didn't know that my female was in heat and didn't keep the two of them separated and they hooked up. Now she is pregnant. "
How about saying "Hey honey, 'girl dog' is in heat, so can you keep them separated while I'm at school?"
Gee, that would have been hard! Isn't effective communication key to a good/lasting marriage? Quit blaming it on your hubby, you're just as responsible for this mess as he is.
If you can't afford to take care of the two dogs you have, then how are you gonna afford to take care of puppies too? How far do you think your husbands taxes are gonna go? If you only have $30 left over each month, then his tax return can't be THAT big!
Threads like this break my heart. Dog lovers lining up to tell people they're stupid or greedy or disgusting because puppies happened ... way to be informative and put your message over. Way to win people over to your point of view. If you have passion and energy to expend, how about focusing on the efforts to beef up the Animal Welfare Act and upgrade conditions in actual puppy mills. When casual breeders get insulted and lectured about using inferior stock, when well bred stock wouldn't be available to them under any circumstances anyway, it doesn't hang together for me. It looks too much like people with mean impulses finding a way to let them out and still feel good about themselves because it's for a "noble" reason.
Dogs in shelters are the result of people taking on dogs who shouldn't have. If you really think it's the dogs themselves, that they would've worked out had they been bred better and had more family-friendly temperaments, then it would be irresponsible to advocate adopting from shelters. And we know better than that.
Forget about poor misunderstood BYBs, Mafiaprincess. People come to sites like this because they're about dogs. And conditions for suffering dogs won't improve on a large scale until it's understood and acknowledged that dog breeding will always be a two-tiered process in this country: hobby breeders and commercial breeders. And one of those tiers is occupied largely by rural people, often farmers, whose relationship to their dogs is one of grower to livestock. Upgrading the conditions their stock lives in, to the conditions people consider humane for livestock, is the kind of incremental improvement that leads, in small steps, to genuine betterment of living conditions. That's why my main public policy interest about dogs is ramping up the Animal Welfare Act. Next to puppy mills, BYBs aren't even on my radar. I don't give a rip except for a general distaste for cruelty, disrespect and intentional rudeness disguised as bluntness. If you're sick of my posts, just skip over them when you see my name. I won't be posting under any other.
And where would you go, anyway, for decent stock? Unless you're already established in the dog show world, no reputable breeder will sell you anything on full registration, right? So where would she have gone for decent stock?
***Edited By: JoanEK on 12/19/2006 11:21:21 PM*** Reason: added sentence
*tsk*tsk* now this just doesn't seem to be in the spirit of the season!
My lil 2cents to this whole circular argument is this....
Why doesn't Terrificpets.com have the forum broken down into topics/genres? That way, those people who have questions - however complex or ignorant they may be - can actually get a genuine answer from people who aren't out to corner the misinformed? Perhaps we could even have a section for the noble soapboxers who want to shed their all-knowing dog wisdom with the rest of us 'laypersons' living in the bowels of dog ownership.
Really people, it's time to get over it. I don't think RBM is likely to respond any more than Santa Clause will be walking through my front door tonight. The sad reality is that there are *always* going to be miseducated and underresourced folks attempting to take on the responsibility of pet ownership. RBM wasn't the first and most certainly won't be the last. Such is life.
And for those *FEW* people who regularly offer genuine and helpful insight - most specifically Minnyar and pearl (in my experiences) - thank you.
Farmers use their dogs for what they are bred for . They work. Why would you be against that?! Yes beagles will get hit hunting-but tyhey are doing what they are bred to do. Dogs will get trampled herding-buit they are doing what they are bred to do. Are you serioues that this is more importanat than puppymills?!
When true farmers breed they are not breeding dogs for all the people in town -Thats called a mill! there will never be "good " conditions with a mill-there is no way around that.
the farmers who do breed breed real working dogs don't sell to pet stores etc. Your confusing mills with true farmers-I don't know a single person who considers there dogs part of breedable income-they are a help to the farm.
And if you are not established why the hell do you need breeding stock?
***Edited By: joce on 12/20/2006 11:23:15 AM*** Reason: h
Joce, I was thinking of the farmers, maybe one good concentrated example being farmers in Lancaster County, PA, who raise puppies as cash crops, often keeping hundreds of dogs onsite in the worst conditions imaginable. Farmers and dog breeding go hand-in-hand, which is why USDA is the agency responsible for licensing commercial kennels.
I got my own Lab from a farmer who produces working dogs on the side.
***Edited By: JoanEK on 12/20/2006 12:17:03 PM*** Reason: added word
Those puppy mills are on farms. Puppy mills often start out as very small operations on a property that's mostly about putting in crops. Then over time the dog-producing part takes over, being much easier (when you cut corners) and more profitable than farming.
ok now for one Wandering_Spirit,lpn169, and thelifeofriley should be ashamed of themselves for attacking rbm like that!!!!! you are ok to have breed those dogs like that!!! and you worn't even talking to them about there opinion on if they thought if they were discusting or not you were asking them on how could they get papered. but the nerve of some people!! I have a chihuahua and she isn't papered and I also don't know how to do it also. so does anyone know how to get her papered? my email is firstname.lastname@example.org
>>>ok now for one Wandering_Spirit,lpn169, and thelifeofriley should be ashamed of themselves for attacking rbm like that!!!!! you are ok to have breed those dogs like that!!! and you worn't even talking to them about there opinion on if they thought if they were discusting or not you were asking them on how could they get papered. but the nerve of some people!! I have a chihuahua and she isn't papered and I also don't know how to do it also. so does anyone know how to get her papered? my email is email@example.com
from ashley >>>
Have you ever had to KILL the dogs in shelters simply because there are not enough homes?
Once you know a little more about dogs... and not just the glitz and glamour... you can question my statements...