wandering spirit wrote "Have you ever had to KILL the dogs in shelters simply because there are not enough homes? "
Yup, for 15 years.
Joan, are completely off base as far as the Amish in PA. (or anybody else for that matter) While the USDA does license kennels that sell wholesale, we all know they never get around to inspect. They don't begin to have the man power to do it.
In PA - ALL kennels are state licensed in addition to any requirements of USDA. All kennels that are not required to be USDA licensed are state licensed also.
One of the worst in Lanc - is not USDA because she does not sell wholesale however she sells thousands of puppies a year. She is very near the PA/MD line & close to Balt & not far from Phila. AKC yanked her privileges years ago so she just had her husband & son sign the papers.
It is so bad there that the AG's office has brought criminal charges against her for selling sick puppies. There was also a class action law suit won against her requireing her to pay over $100,000.
But the freakin state still licenses her!!!
***Edited By: suebgone on 12/26/2006 12:32:25 AM*** Reason: sp
ok now for one Wandering_Spirit,lpn169, and thelifeofriley should be ashamed of themselves for attacking rbm like that!!!!! ------------------------------------------ I didnt 'attack' them, and nope, not ashamed for saying it like it is.
Going and 'rescuing' dogs to use for breeding is plain ignorant. The fact that they cant seem to keep their story straight from one post or one thread to the next is the other issue. Dont feel sorry for dishonest people.
<<Joan, are completely off base as far as the Amish in PA. (or anybody else for that matter) While the USDA does license kennels that sell wholesale, we all know they never get around to inspect. They don't begin to have the man power to do it.>>
Sue, all I said about the farms in Lancaster County PA is that a lot of them have puppy mills on their premises. I also advocated beefing up the provisions of the Animal Welfare Act (like the Humane Society has been trying to spearhead for some time now) so it would be more effective than obviously it is now. The word Amish didn't come through my fingers -- I don't consider it a religious issue. Though as a farming issue it's easy to see that people who grew up raising and slaughtering food animals might have a different sensibility than you or I about how companion animals should be raised. I'm not trying to excuse those practices. The puppy mills look like places I wouldn't want my food raised in, either, frankly. My point about USDA is that, since that is the Agriculture Department, it points up the the connection between farming and commercial dog-producing. The Federal government decided at some point that dog-raising would be a gainful activity for farmers and an economic boon for struggling farmers in particular. USDA was the Federal agency assigned to oversee the activities of commercial dog producers. I don't disagree with anything you wrote, but I'm not sure what I wrote that seems off-base. Sorry if I seemed to be advocating puppy milling, but I don't see how you could have gotten that idea from my post.
If USDA can't afford to send out more people to inspect more often, license fees need to be much higher, same with fines, with more of the operations in noncompliance shut down. Fees and fines right now are a tiny part of the cost of raising dogs commercially. I totally agree that the system as it now exists is broken.
FWIW, more breeders than just wholesalers are subject to licensing, if it were actually enforced.
Anyone with more than three breeding females is required to have a USDA license under the Animal Welfare Act. The smaller the operation, the lower the license fee, but they're all subject to inspection. And yes I know it's widely disregarded and virtually unenforced. Much higher fees and much higher fines would help somewhat with that. It might not sound like it would help much, but that's how incremental change happens, with other groups working on other aspects at the same time.
***Edited By: JoanEK on 12/27/2006 11:20:02 AM*** Reason: added
Sorry to hear that you lost all of the puppies from this unplanned litter. But maybe it was for the best, since you mentioned that you didn't have the money to take care of their needs to being with.
Have you given it anymore thought for spaying your girl? Does the vet give shots to stop the milk production of a bitch that loses her litter? Poor little dog must be traumatized after delivering her litter and than losing them.
***Edited By: Basset_Lover on 1/24/2007 9:09:32 PM*** Reason: :P
lpn, riley, you guys have seen my posts and attitude SOMEONE JUST HOLD ME BACK or my mouth is going to open and I won't be responsible for what comes out via my typing fingers LOL. Get tape fast, handcuff my hands so i can't type UGG
edit post: how old is this thread? I just realized OLD lolol