A) if you want to get your money back, Joce is onto something. Did you sign a contract? If not, you might still be able to back out.
B) I hope that people haven't ruined this experience for you. Getting a pup should be so fun and exciting. My friend has a cockapoo and it is a really good dog. While I disagree with mixed-breeding.... I am sorry everyone has treated you this way. If you get the puppy don't feel bad about it. Just love it. Things happen for reasons and you now know about this topic.
C) I think you have handled everyone jumping on you and screaming at you quite well. Remember, if you want reality, just step away from the computer! ;)
I would think your Cav had these issues from being under socialized. Could be bad breeding too. The breeder sounds like a puppy mill, I understand you did not know about that when you bought her.Have you been to the breeders house and seen how she keeps the dogs?How old will your new pup be when you bring her home? I would crate train, I wouldn't use pads, I think they confuse a pup.Good luck with your new puppy.
kdubbs-thanks for your concern, and support that is all i am looking for. I know that sometimes people are telling it like it is and it can be harsh but it doesnt bother me. I dont think they mean it the way it comes across sometimes, but i just let it roll off my back. And i did sign something about not refunding the money and when i called about the cavalier she did offer to trade her for me. I am going to love him just like you said and maybe get him some obedience training if necessary. Thanks for the support!
Corsomom- I have been to her house and she and her husband seem like nice people. I knew after reading up on breeders and now this forum (when it was to late) that she is not the best breeder, but i know she isnt the worst either. They are outside in big kennels and she has a lot of land so they do run around and play, i dont think they are in the kennels always. I think i will do the crate training, everyone seems to be telling me that. Do you think i should have blankets or anything in there with him? And how often during the day should i take him out? He is going to be 7weeks when i get him, which seems young to me. Thanks for eveything1
Umm...the fact they are kept in big kennels and your first dog was scared of people at only 4? months old is gross. She's obviously not socializing them. No puppy should ever be afraid of people. The next puppy isnt going to be much better....
.............. and so you work on socializing him. You can get the little guy used to people. You can't turn him into a social butterfly if that isn't his personality, but you can teach him to bond to humans and that they wont' ever hurt him.
**edit. I ased when you were getting it... but re-read your post and see it is january!*
***Edited By: kdubbs27 on 12/20/2006 4:58:00 PM*** Reason: edit
I think 7 weeks is too young too. You should do a search on bite inhabition to help you with your pup. You can put something soft in the crate for the pup to lay on, I'd start with a towel, some pups will chew wha t evers in there.Puppies have to go potty alot- after sleeping, eating, playing. The most importand thing with potty training is to be consistant and dont let him out of your sight.did you sign a contract or get any kind of health guarantee? Do you know how many litters this breeder has at one time?
Eight to ten weeks is a good age to bring them home-But it sounds like they get no socialization so its really a toss up on what would be better. Is it better for a dog to get bite inhibition or socialization? I'd say bite inhibition but if the dog bites anyway whats it matter?
I'd type up a letter that includes what type of dog you bought in the begining-any promises she made-the dogs behavior adn health,how much money you gave her etc. I'd end it with you are not wiling to accept the chance of bringing in another dog from her and having the same thing happen(because she will jsut try to replace it with another pup again). I'd give her a date to have your refund back by and if you do have an attorney maybe his number jsut to scare them. If you don't have one say you will contact one if you don't have the money by a certain date.
I do know some people go to small claims court for things like this. I don't think its that expensive to file-it jsut takes a lot of your time.
I think its worth going through though to make sure your family doesn't have to go through this again.
***Edited By: joce on 12/20/2006 5:21:23 PM*** Reason: k
Diana, it is your decision on whether or not to take the puppy. I obviously don't support the idea of giving money to breeders who do not test their stock for genetic diseases because I don't think that is a very moral practice. However, she already has your money so it really isn't an issue anymore in that regard, and it seems like you really didn't even know what you were doing at the time.
The reason your cav was timid is likely because she was undersocialized. It is possible that she was rarely even let out of her crate and 5 months old is a bit late in the process to start with socialization. If you do decide to get the puppy, to be honest, chances are things will go okay. Most dogs do not have excessive temperment or behavioral issues, and most dogs are not well bred. There are far more puppy mills producing far more puppies than there are reputable breeders producing well bred dogs. Read up on poodles and cockers to learn about both breeds, and read up on socialization. Start as early as is safe for the puppy (ask your vet). Your chances really are no worse than if you adopted a puppy from a shelter or such, so I wouldn't say that your "positive thinking" is unreasonable.
On the other hand, I do hope you consider adopting from a shelter or buying from a reputable breeder the next time around. It is a complex issue as to exactly why BYB are so harmful (it may seem on the surface to be okay, since it doesn't seem that their dogs are suffering..but the issue goes much deeper than that). If you research it I'm sure you will find lots of info. Good luck on your new puppy!
Kdubb- I believe the same as you, i think that if i socialize him and love him he will know he has nothing to be afraid of. And thank you for encouragement and not being negative. January 12th is when we get him, and i know that is going to be some cold weather to have to take him out in, but we will deal. Of course here you never know what the weather will be like, my daughters birthday is in January and we have been able to play outside before, so who knows.
Corsomom- The guarantee is for 3 days i think, i would have to look back over it. I know now that is not very good, after reading things on other breeders. And honestly i am not sure how many litters she has at a time. I know right now she only has two, the cockapoos and shih tzus.Thanks for the advice on house training.
JWE1986- Thank you for your advice and help, i will know next time to do more research. I wasnt doing the research i needed to and wasnt thinking straight. I am going to do some reading on house training and socialization and hopefully i can get it right. Happy Holidays!
It looks like you've gotten little to no help with the question you asked...potty training.
I won't claim to be an expert, but this is the way we did it with both of our dogs:
When we were at home, the dog was leashed to us at all times. That way we were always aware of where they were and what they were doing.
Remember that puppies need to go out A LOT. Everytime they eat, drink, play, wake up...time for a potty break.
We took our dogs out in the yard on a leash to go potty, otherwise they would get distracted or play instead of doing what they needed to. I would tell the dog "Go Potty", very quietly and wait for them to go. As soon as they started to squat, I would say "Go Potty" a little bit louder, and keep saying it until they were done. This way, they associated the command "Go Potty" more with the squat and potty than with the sniffing around. When they finished, BIG praise....treats, pets, "YES!"
If it had been awhile since the puppy had gone, and they DIDN'T go outside, we put them right into the crate for about 20 minutes. After that time, we'd go out and try again, repeating the cycle until the puppy had gone potty. As soon as they went, they got play time either inside or out in the yard.
We took them out at least once every hour, each time they woke up, about 20 minutes after they ate or drank, and right after a play or training session.
If the dogs started to go in the house, we gave a stern "No!" (loud enough to startle), then picked them up and carried them outside to finish their business. Again, if they go outside, big praise.
Have an enzyme cleaner ready for accidents. We use Petastic. It removes the smell. Dogs tend to go to the same place to go potty, so if they can still smell it (even if you can't), they may keep going back to that spot.
We used the crate at night, when we went out, and anytime that we could not give 100% attention to the dog.
You need to make sure the crate is not too big. The dog should only be able to stand up and turn around in it. Most dogs will not go where they sleep, but if the crate is too big, they may find a corner that they can go in.
As far as having something in the crate; depends on the dog. Kula used to pee in his crate everytime I left the house, even if he had just gone, or if I was gone a very short time. He had a crate pad in there, and it would just soak up the pee. I finally pulled the pad out, so that if he did pee, he couldn't really get away from it. He only peed in the crate one more time, then never again, even after I put the pad back in. Some dogs will chew on anything in their crate, so it really depends on how your pup does.
If you do end up getting the cockapoo, remember they are a small dog with a small bladder. They often take a little bit longer to housetrain than a larger breed dog (but that also means smaller accidents!) Be patient, and ready for a few trips outside in the middle of the night. It doesn't last forever, although it sometimes feels as if it will :)
Sorry this is so long, but I hope it helps. Again, I have two cockapoos and they are absolutely fabulous dogs. There will always be people that feel they shouldn't be bred, but I am convinced that I got the right dogs for our family. Best of luck to you, and post pictures in January!
You may want to look into the laws in your state. In most it's illegal to sell a puppy before it's eight weeks. If so in your state I would turn this "breeder" in. I know you don't want to give up the $500, but it could be saving you thousands that may need to be spent on vet care for a poorly breed dog in the end. I know you didn't know better and what's done is done, but you should be prepared for a ton of work socializing and training a pup that has been living outside without the necessary human contact and the likelihood that this pup could have many behavioral and physical problems later on if you choose to go through with it.
Kulanmarley- Thank you so much for the words of encouragement, and the advice on house training. I think that will help alot, and thats all i really wanted from the start. What size crate do you think would be good for a new puppy? Also i have two children, do you think its good to put the puppy in the crate for rest time so the kids dont wear him out? How long do they get up in the night? Thanks so much for all your help.
Besides if for some reason it didnt work out with the dog i wouldnt turn him into the shelter anyways. I would find someone i knew or a resue group to take him.
what sort of problems would make you give up your dog ? how long did you have the cavalier pup before you gave up on him and returned him ? had you contacted any kind of professional help to help you acclimate your new puppy to its new surroundings and your family to give it a chance to see if he would have warmed up and fit in well ?
to answer your last question ..... you should buy a crate that will allow the dog to stand up and turn around and lay stretched out cofortably when it is full grown. however you dont want to give the puppy all that room when it is a baby because then it will learn to have accidents in the crate because it has enough room to get away from it. so if you buy a wire crate you will need to partition it off so the pup has just enough room to be comnfortable in it. as the pup grows you give him more room.
Scout1- the answer to your question is she was 5months old when we got her and she was very shy and timid, that was okay with me, i would work with her. Then she started barking and growling at my husband and when he would come near her to pet her if she were on the couch she would pee on it. And then she started growling at my children and nipped at them a couple of times. I callled about training and they said it would take a lot of classes and training and there was no guarantee it would help. I just wasnt sure if this was the right home for her and i felt she needed one maybe with a single lady or older women with no children, i felt that would be better for her. I dont know why she was this way, and i couldnt have her bitting my children.
And thank you on the advice for the size of the crate i would need.