I really do think he makes sense with some of his training but there was a post on here a while back about him also hitting his dogs. Thus making me question my respect for him.
I really also don't believe that a 10 min. walk will "cure" a behavior problem. Time, a whole lot of time and training will help with behavior. We also have to know what to do to correct this. It isn't a 10 min walk!
I do believe about the pack leader thing. If your not the boss then they are and it is no different then children! :)
After spending a few years with Wiley ( abused, starved and neglected) I really didn't think anything would bring him out of it. With the consent training that I have learned to do he has come around 95%.
I believe in positive training but I also believe in a harsh NO or a tap on the nose or an E collar when needed. I think it should be a proper balance. Kinda common sense, just like raising a child.
I think he is great :) He is the pack leader. I love the show. he has kind and effective ways of training what most people would call untrainable dogs. he does good things alot of the times people are to the point were they want to take there dog to a shelter. My favorite dog is Daddy the pitt that used to be a fighter he is one oof his biggest turn arounds and he is so cute :)
My dog behaviorist has a friend/colleague that trained with Cesar. He told me that what really happens on the show is that a trainer will come in and train the dog for two weeks prior to the taping of the show. Then Cesar comes in to the situation, with the dog having already been trained, and "solves" the problem. So, technically, when he says he has never seen these dogs before, he is telling the truth, since HE hasn't seen the dog, just his trainers have!
Your "friend" could also be telling stories out his wazoo, out of jealousy. As far as I'm concerned. I don't think he's anything extraordinary though, anybody can make a "tsk" noise and tap a dog to get it's attention.
I hate Cesar! He is not a good trainer and uses out of date methods. He's undoing the decades of work done by people like Ian Dunbar, Patricia McConnell, and Pat Miller. I wish one of them had a show. The only thing I agree with him about is that we need to be pack leaders, but the way he goes about it wrong and many times cruel. There are much better was to teach your dog. I know I could never physically dominate my dogs and I would never try, but I am smarter than them and can get them to want to do things for me because they want to not because they fear me. Ever notice the "Don't try this at home" warning? Obviously his methods are dangerous. Here's a link to some articles about what some real trainers and other people think about Cesar http://www.animalbehavior.net/PUBLIC/WhatAboutCesarMillan.htm
I enjoy his show. I take some of the things he does and make it into my own and have used it to train Riley and Jaz and I have to say it's worked well. Just the fact that he educates people that dogs need exercise then love, etc. is great.
However, there have been cases of abuse with him. He put a dog on a treadmill with a prong collar and left it there for hours, dogs neck got cut. So while his show is at least promoting responsible ownership, he's not THAT great...
Cmon, if you didn't like seeing Nunu the Killer Chihuahua, you just don't have a funny bone. I thought he looked like an embryo of a Tasmanian Devil Monster.
I watch it a lot, and that's interesting to hear about how another trainer has worked with the dog for a couple of weeks before Cesar gets to it. I think the main value is the entertainment factor of the owners. That's the real educational part I think, the message of "Don't be one of THOSE owners. You know who you are." I know when my sister's being like that, I just don't always know when I am.
One thing though. A lot of the problem animals on the show are rescued shelter dogs. I wonder if the effect of the show might be to exaggerate your chances of getting a problem dog if you adopt from a shelter. This is a very popular show, I'd hate for it to have a negative impact on adoptions.
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I really enjoy the show, and while a lot of his stuff is common sense, when people are trying to train their dogs, they just don't seem to think of the simple methods he uses. I am surprised a lot of you don't like him. Where are the cases or proof that he abuses dogs? And by abuse what type of abuse do you mean? I just can't see that about him.
Ceaser and his books have been a mentor for me throughout my schooling. I love him, we think alike. I do beleive that because dogs obviously can't speak english and its harder for us to teach them to talk our language and body language that it's up to us to be pack leaders and accualy act the way dogs act towards eachother. I've learned the dogs bodylanguage towards each other from how my misha acted towards her pups and how dogs act when there let loose without any human interfierence. And a dog that disciplines another dog is very fysical and even harsh att some times. From what I've expierienced the puppies that get tough treatment often grow up to be more dominant, I don't think that the treatment is the reason to the dog becoming more dominant but that the dogs know allready from the first time they meat the puppy that they need to be tough with them from the start for them to gain respect from the puppy once it grows up. I am exremly tough with my dogs and I use alot of body language (dog language). He has a good contact with the dogs and from what I've seen on the show I do believe that he does have people come and train the dog before he gets there. But dogs don't act, and there is still major problems with the dogs he meets when he meets them. And he does help. Quick solutions are the only way to go, and thats what he does.
I personally like Cesar's show and I received his book for Christmas - what I have read so far is very good.
There are things that he does that I disagree with - but I don't know that there is any trainer that I would agree 100% with. I think as with anything, you have to look at your relationship with your dog and decide what you want it to be... then go from there.
While I don't think that a walk with your dog will solve all of your problems - I do believe that it will minimize problems and put your dog in a mental state where he is open to learning. Shoot - I look at myself - I am MUCH more open to learning and discussion after I come home from the gym... I've relieved stress, relaxed my mind and have endorphins flying through my body - it's great!
I agree with the leader of the pack theory - to a degree. In my house, I am MOM... I am the leader of the household. We are all members of the household and everyone is expected to do their part to make our household work. I clean, I cook, I grocery shop, I do laundry. Hubby takes care of the yard, he helps put things away, he sweeps the floors. Son puts away laundry, keeps toys picked up and cleans his bathroom. Dogs don't chew the furniture, wag their tails when we need them to, play with us when we need a playmate and listen to what they're asked to do. My job as mom (or leader of the pack) is to coordinate everyones job and to make sure that everyone is capable of doing thier jobs.
As for what he's doing being dangerous... well - there are many things that are dangerous if you are not practiced or confident. He puts himself between the dog and it's food to show that he is the one in control... no, that's not something that I would suggest my nine year old try with a 110 lb rottie.... that's why he has the warnings. It's not necessarily true that he is doing something that is "wrong".
I like his style and I like the way he simplifies the problems the owners are having with their dogs. I also like the strateies he comes up with to solve their problems. I agree there is obviously alot of editing and probably some smoke in mirrors but its TV. Nothing is ever as simple as it is on TV.
I've read his book and I noticed many of the same principles used by the Monks of New Skete. So he is reinventing the wheel to some degree. But someone said it earlier that dogs don't act. And you see the dogs act differently when he enters the room. There's something there. A presence that I think is real. Unless its all staged and these dogs are really just "rin tin tins"... And they show him in action on the show breaking up fights with dogs. I think he would be missing a few fingers from that claw he bites the dogs with if he didn't know how to handle himself when two dogs were fighting. I also believe thats what the warnings are for as well. He makes it look easy but if you are having dominance issues with your Akita or Rottie and just decide to roll him on his side because Ceasar said so...
I don't think a 10 min walk solves every problem. And thats not what he says either. But its a start. Because the owners he has on the show are clueless. They treat their dogs like cats. Some of the people on that show admit they walk their dogs once a month? Could you imagine?
i agree on the pack leader stuff.Im not a big fan of the alpha roll though.I also am not ab ig fan of how he uses the leash.Id rather use less force and teach the dog to walk beside you on a LOOSE lead.I love watching his shows though and have been to a seminar and i personally love him.Hes very nice and knows what hes talking about.
I just got done reading a great book by another trainer. it's called steppin up to success by terri arnold. It's expensive and hard to find. 40.00 at dog wise. But I would be pleased if the ceasar lovers read it. it might give you whole new out look on ceasar. and then follow it up with dogs:a startling new understanding of dog evolution, behavior and training.
both of these books are written by people who have accomplished many great feats in the dog training world. the later book talks about using dominace. or a more in depth understanding of how ceasar type methods are washed up. the book starts off with how people allow dogs to live to a parasitic relationship with humans. always getting and no giving. and the dogs are taught to be this way. then to fix the problem, they apply massive amounts of force. The dog in it's right is doing as it has been taught. but then gets discplined for it. the book blames the human, not the dog. then talks about to transform the relationship by setting boundries and asking the dog for things in return for thier cookies and love.
Well said Gunny...I have read both those books along with Patricia McConnell's--all wonderful and very enlightening...I wish books like that were mandatory before training/getting a dog because so many people go about it in the wrong way...they expect 'sit' to mean something to a dog...It doesn't until you teach them that it does. It's just a cool new word to hear from their human's mouth that generally ends in anger when they don't know what it means...and why would they? It would be like me saying a completely foreign word to someone else and getting angry when they didn't know what it meant. Dominance is important, but in order to be pack leader you must be respectes, loved, and trusted or you will accomplish nothing but being forceful and fearful. Whenever my dogs do something good, they may not always get a cookie/treat, but they always get a 'good dog' and a pat...and I can tell you that those pats and 'good dogs' win over dogs anyday rather than forcing them.