Whoever he stole the majority of his money from. The US found billions upon billions of unreported undocumented money in one of his homes. The money is now being used to put Iraq back together.
Also anyone who bought tanzanite stones, Zales and Kay's at one point stopped selling that stone b/c it was being reported the only mines with those stones were from the middle east and the funds were being shared with terrorists.
The U.S. Never Had A Moral Leg To Stand On In Condemning Saddam. The fact is, Saddam had no WMDs and posed no threat to the U.S. Saddam also had no connection to 9/11. However, those who defend the decision to invade Iraq still have one small fig leaf to hide behind. That is: that Saddam was a bad guy. But did U.S. really have the moral authority to condemn Saddam? I don't think the rest of the world would agree that we did. After all, we're the ones who armed and funded Saddam and sold him chemical and biological weapons in the first place. In fact, the U.S. had a long and sordid history of secret dealings with Saddam, dating back to 1959 (when the CIA contracted Saddam to attempt an assassination of Iraq's prime minister). Yes, Saddam was despicable. But so was invading a sovereign nation to steal its oil.
Do you have any idea what the U.S. has been doing to Iraq? Don't consult any Arab sources. Look at what your own politicians have done. … In the 1980s, Ronald Reagan funded Saddam's war on Iran and on Kurds and Shia. In 1991, the Bush Sr. encouraged the Kurds and Shia to rise against Saddam, only to later abandon them to Saddam's wrath. The USA starved to death 1.7 million Iraqis (according to the UN) in the 1990s and added that it was worth it, words that were uttered by your own Madeleine Albright.
I never said that the US was right. In fact, if you re read I said, at times I am embarrassed of what this country has become. BUT, that in no way excuses Saddams actions. I laughed at the 'fair trial' comment. The only way he would have EVER gotten a fair trial was if no one ever knew all of the stuff he did. Unfortunately, for him, pretty much everyone knew, including him, that he didn't stand a chance. US, in my opinion WASTED four years of tax money and resources keeping him alive as long as they did. It is a good thing he was hung and not just given to the surviving families of the people he murdered. They would have done ALOT worse to him........and justifiably so.
Traumamamma - Just because some anitwar group posted it on the web doesn't make it real
I totally support this country and what we've done, it needed to be done the civilian's in Iraq needed to be saved and naturally the strongest country came to their aid. We took down one of the largest criminals in the world and any US citizen should be proud of that.
People in this country are put to death for killing a COUPLE people. What would you expect for someone who killed hundreds of thousands? Do you think we should have just left him alone? Do you think we should have allowed him to invade Kuwait so that he could steal THEIR oil?
Where is the proof that we sold them chemical and biological weapons?
We tried him here but due to the geneva convention(I believe) we had to send him back to his own country. His appeal was denied and he was killed by his own system. He had as fair as trial as he gave others, he deserved no more.
Do you also seem to forget that we were in war with Saddam BEFORE 9/11?? The reason he got involved with the war in IRAQ was just crappy timing on his part. He decided to try and invade Kuwait, and we said 'no'. and pushed him back. So he decided to burn their oil.......nice guy.
There are so many people in Iraq that FINALLY get to know some sort of freedom, not the freedom that we have been so lucky to take adantage of, but a freedom nonetheless. Is that not worth it?
I find it grossly disturbing that you would even ask if there is a moral leg to stand on. ABSOLUTELY! With all the people that died THAT provided the moral reason.
Please show me the proof that we were stealing oil.
If we get self centered and only worry about 'ourselves' then there is no reason to be proud of our freedom. I am extremely proud that we have soldiers who are willing to not only defend our country but also help the people in others. THAT is what makes this country so great. We do not only care about ourselves. We care about all the innocent lives that are being killed by half wit 'leaders' who think that they can get away with it. The thing that sucks about this country, is that we do not all fully support ourselves, how can the other nations be expected to become our allies when our own country cannot agree.
If he had been allowed to stay here, he either would have been killed in prison, or he would have spent the next 50 years eating 3 meals a day, sleeping in a bed and being in nice clean clothes....... just what every mass murderer deserves......all while WE paid for it.
Sorry, but I do not support feeding and housing murderers. I think that more people that are 100% proven guilty and get the death penalty need to have it carried out much sooner..... not years down the line.
***Edited By: KatzPomDogz on 1/4/2007 1:15:35 PM*** Reason: r
......Initially, Iraq advanced far into Iranian territory, but was driven back within months. By mid-1982, Iraq was on the defensive against Iranian human-wave attacks. The U.S., having decided that an Iranian victory would not serve its interests, began supporting Iraq: measures already underway to upgrade U.S.-Iraq relations were accelerated, high-level officials exchanged visits, and in February 1982 the State Department removed Iraq from its list of states supporting international terrorism. (It had been included several years earlier because of ties with several Palestinian nationalist groups, not Islamicists sharing the worldview of al-Qaeda. Activism by Iraq's main Shiite Islamicist opposition group, al-Dawa, was a major factor precipitating the war -- stirred by Iran's Islamic revolution, its endeavors included the attempted assassination of Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz.)
Prolonging the war was phenomenally expensive. Iraq received massive external financial support from the Gulf states, and assistance through loan programs from the U.S. The White House and State Department pressured the Export-Import Bank to provide Iraq with financing, to enhance its credit standing and enable it to obtain loans from other international financial institutions. The U.S. Agriculture Department provided taxpayer-guaranteed loans for purchases of American commodities, to the satisfaction of U.S. grain exporters.
He was convicted by a jury of his own peers and no he probably wouln't get a fair trial anywhere but didn't deserve one either, he never gave one. You get what you give. An eye for an Eye. Do on to others as you want them to do onto you.
it's reported one of the guys dad's that was part of his excution was killed by Saddam, so I'm sure that was sweet justice for that guy.
I agree with a lot of you. First of all, yes I'm with TM that this was an inside job. 9/11 happens and we invade Iraq - hmmmm..... Osama Bin Ladin (sp?) is not from Iraq. We all know that it was Osama and not Saddam. It is also a well know fact that our Precious Bush families are buddies with the Bin Laden family. How do we invade Iraq without cause??? I wonder.
I also agree with the Death Penalty, but only when it is 100% sure that this person commited the crime. Like Jeffrey Dahmer (here in my wonderful State). When you are pulling bodies out of someone's freezer and they admit to about 12 other murders...they need to go. Our tax money pays for these people to smoke, work out, watch tv, play basketball, and eat.
This is gonna sound harsh and cold to some but oh well....Enough already no amount of crying or whine is gonna bring this horrible guy back to life. He is DEAD so lets try to more past that fact because nothing will change that. Honestly I am glad the guy is dead. Thats one less horrible butt munch the world has to deal with.
This will never be resolved, I'll always have my opionions and TM will always have hers and so on....there really is no point in discussing it any further. No one will change my mind and I'm sure I won't change anyones. Ok - Moving on.
It's just ironic. Scanning back several pages, this is certainly not the only OT thread, just the only one peppered with complaints about it having been started. While being the one that generated 8 pages -- and counting -- of interest.
Plus a lot of information has been exchanged here like it would be at a watercooler. I've worked in military Public Affairs and it's interesting to see how facts and pseudo-facts get aired and busted, and revised, making everyone who participated a little better informed. Just because something is published on a sketchy conspiracy-oriented web site doesn't make it wrong. Iraq did get some of its biologicals from a civilian American company, The American Type Culture Corp, and in the 1980s when orders came in from Iraq they checked with the State Department and the Commerce Department and were told to fill them. Nobody can say our hands are clean in this.
***Edited By: JoanEK on 1/4/2007 3:55:16 PM*** Reason: h
Just trying to point out, all wasnt fair, our hands are indeed dirty in this, and to just not believe everything that Fox news puts out there!
If people hate this thread, then hate it....but you dont have to read it....It states off topic and if you want to just come here and talk pets and such, you do have the option of doing just that....you dont have to click it!