I have been doing a lot of research about toy schnauzers, I have two minis and now want a toy (under 11 inches and 8-10 -pounds). Anyone have info on a breeder they liked or didn't like?
PLEASE......I don't want to start a discussion from people that DISLIKE the toys as I know how they are bred, I have done lots of research, I just want to get info from current owners or people that are familiar with the toys. THANKS
You know, I know nothing of the breed in question, but as a breeder-- some times I wonder why it is more important to breed to a standard set by a group of people at AKC-- or to breed for what the majority of the public want.
I think standards have completely messed up some breeds from what I know and understand. How do we know if breeding for larger or smaller will do any more damage than breeding for unrealistic, unhealthy features-- like those of the english bulldog, and others?
I LOVE the idea of a true minature boxer-- and hey it worked for the poodles to have more than 1 size.
Just throwing it out there.
***Edited By: alicat1 on 12/31/2006 7:05:54 PM*** Reason: ad
if its ok to ignore the breed standards what are you gonna call a giant schnauzer thats only 12" tall????, its not a miniature so its a giant that didnt meet the standard, so do you find another giant that failed to meet the standard and breed them????
with all the byb bashing that goes on around here I would think breeding to meet standards NOT public wants would be a huge issue. The public apparently wants all these maltipoo, snoodle yada yada breeds and everyone has a fit about it......
to purposely set out to breed two dogs that do not meet standard just to make money is WRONG, where are all the posters who normally jump up and down screaming if someone mentions breeding a dog that has never been shown???
I have been breeding for along time and have owned miniature schnauzers for over 20 years, they do not need further insult added to their problem back ground already...it has taken years to get good lines going, now people who only care about their pockets are trying to undermine all the hard work!
While I haven't actually searched for toy schnauzer breeders here are some things I look for in a breeder, especially if I want a toy dog for my home and family:
1) Is the breeder AKC registered? 2) Are parents on site? If not, why not? 3) Is this the Mom's first litter, second or what? I ask this to find out if they have the Mom JUST to breed or is she a loving family pet. 4) Where do they keep the puppy's parents? I look for dog parents that are part of the family and interact with the family. That way the puppy will get the same interaction. 5) Does the breeder screen the people who buy the dogs? If not, they may just be in it for the money. Personally I wouldn't buy a dog from a dog store, just my opinion. 6) Talk to the breeder about the dog's breed, what do they know, if anything.
miss melodee-- I didn't mean to offend you and I wasn't directing anything towards you personally. I just think it is OK to question things, just like it is ok to have a different opinion than others.
Just saying that most people would rather have a healthy pet with a disposition that they are looking for, rather than one that meets a standard that they really know nothing about and could care less about.
Not saying that breeders shouldn't breed to a standard and to better the breed, but the whole dog show world is based on individual judges interpretation of what that standard means and should be. That is why one dog will win one day and a different dog will win the next day. Otherwise there would be just one dog winning at a time. LOL.
Alicat-maybe people SHOULD care more about the breed standard. After all, if they don't know what the breed standard is (or don't care) they probably also don't know anything about that particular breed's health problems and temperment. I am so tired of people choosing a breed because "it's cute" or "my best friend has one and he is such a perfect dog". So many people go by looks and don't have the slightest clue what they are getting into. Like getting a double coated breed and then complaining about the shedding. Getting a herding breed and complaining about chasing/nipping at heels. I could go on and on about people's unrealistic expectations because they are clueless about the breed that they chose. If you can't find a breed that suits you out of the more than 100 recognised breeds, and want one that is bred out of standard just to meet your needs a little bit better, maybe you don't deserve to have a dog at all.
OP give me a small break would you. You obviously know how people feel on the subject otherwise you wouldn't have gone through the whole dealy of who approves or not insisting that someone refers you to your dream crappy breeder.
miss melodee, you need to take a chill pill.
Your post really annoyed me and since when are you the authority on when anyone should "jump down someones throat"? Just because "us posters" didn't get a chance to respond in time for your liking, doesn't give you the right to assume how I or anyone else feels about a subject.
To whoever this applies to: If you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to a breed and answering a question, why not wait for the thread that you do know something about instead of broadcasting your ignorance for the viewers of terrificpets.
***Edited By: pope1982 on 12/31/2006 8:31:00 PM*** Reason: add
OMG, too many opinions..........as far as mine, I believe there are breeders out there for everyone, and I know what I want in my next dog, I wasn't expecting to be bombarded with negativity about my opinion, so I will keep doing my research and hope to find what I am looking for on my own...........please read the rules, it says no breeding bashing...............
I have 2 schnauzers, both mini, one that is show quality, so I know good breeding practices, I just hoped that someone had info about the toys out there...................
Your post really annoyed me and since when are you the authority on when anyone should "jump down someones throat"? Just because "us posters" didn't get a chance to respond in time for your liking, doesn't give you the right to assume how I or anyone else feels about a subject. "
I didnt assume anything, I dont need a chill pill and you need to get off my back. I simply made the satement that there are LOTS of people who post here that are against BYB and not breeding to standards.....read my post......
"with all the byb bashing that goes on around here I would think breeding to meet standards NOT public wants would be a huge issue. The public apparently wants all these maltipoo, snoodle yada yada breeds and everyone has a fit about it......
to purposely set out to breed two dogs that do not meet standard just to make money is WRONG, where are all the posters who normally jump up and down screaming if someone mentions breeding a dog that has never been shown??? "
I did NOT attack ANYONE, only stated my thoughts on the OP post, geeeezzz, take a minute before you start jumping on me...
It really makes no difference what anyone says here, the OP will do whatever they want, without any concern for the breed, they will line the pockets of whomever can meet their "want/need" and go on about their merry way. AND they knew how their post would be responded to before it was even posted.
Sorry you feel I was attacking you or anyone else, maybe you read my response wrong or were just having a bad moment, no offense taken and may you have a great day!
My show quality male was never able to show due to an unfortunate mistake by the vet tech when administering his last set of puppy shots. She hit him in the wrong spot, and he pulled away, and the liquid coagulated in a pocket under his skin, causing him to lose about a quarter size amount of hair. The hair never grew back to the thickness it once was, therefore, I never was about to show him.
His grandpa was an International Champion and father was a regional champion in California. His grandfather won a prestigious dog contest in Germany. His bloodlines are impeccable. It really is too bad, he's a beautiful dog with perfect stature and stacks nicely. He's now just a bit spoiled and has some seperation issues, which are lessened by using his kennel and female partner dog.
I eventually neutered him and he's a great pet along with my pet quality female, she's a bit too long bodied to show.
So that's my story.
I just wish people were a bit more positive about things on this forum, instead of taking the offensive, you don't know me, nor my intentions.
We are all intitled to our opinions, that is what makes forums fun. And I intend to keep making it a positive experience for me.
we raise akc min sch for 6 years now and we have had only one that is under 10 pounds and we didnt reg her had her spaded and is my daughters pet. its a personel choice and if you feel your bettering the breed by going smaller then thats on you.But we raise minis by the akc standards
Teacup, micro, mini ........... just dogs bred out of standard. Though I get calls all the time asking for 'the tiniest' or the 'runt of the litter' as if Min Pins arent small enough already, lol. Pocket pugs...not sure if I'd want a farting machine of a Pug hanging out in my pocket, lol.
I would hate to have seen all you negative people around when the standard schnauzer was turning into your beloved pet miniature. None of you would have your pets right now! How dare you question the love of a breeder perfecting the choice of size. Do your research on the miniature before you say that breeding for the toy is not good for the breed! I have two toys and am proud to have them!! I also have miniatures and love them also! I hope to breed for the toy and am happy to do so!
Alicat, anyone who claims to be a responsible AKC breeder would be fully aware that your statement regarding the AKC making breed standards is not correct. The PARENT CLUB for each breed under the guidance of the BOD and voted on by there members is how a BREED STANDARD IS SET. AKC IS A REGISTERING BODY FOR THE PURPOSE OF KEEPING RECORDS OF PUREBRED DOGS.
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